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Germany
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When it comes to early cents I tend to focus on the early dates - 1794's, 1795's, 1796's. However, this 1802 seemed quite interesting when I saw it so I decided to go for it. The sellers pictures where a biz fuzzy and that made it difficult to assess the condition of the surfaces. I am pleased though that in hand the coin is actually very nice. It has pretty overall color, with the reverse not quite as uniform as the obverse. It is a scarce variety among the 1802's, Sheldon-238 which is rarity 4, and that made it all the more appealing. The 2 best known examples of this variety are both VF30 or so. The coin is in an early die state, with the die breaks typical of the variety and die state clearly visible. Looking forward to your comments     Edited by GERMANICVS
10/13/2017 03:44 am
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United States
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Wow .. Sweet .. and that coin sure looks stronger than a 35 to me.
It'd look swell in my type set. Ha Ha...
I've found it quite difficult to find a decent specimen with some detail that hasn't spent a century in the dirt. They're easy to find I guess, just not easy to fit into my budget. Expenditures for stupid stuff like electricity, water, and food always seem to get in the way of me having the stuff I really want. That's why there are 5 empty holes in my Dansco 7070. I'm gonna need to hit the lotto ... the one that I don't play.
Congratulations on scoring such a fine looking specimen.
If I had to complain about something ... Poor Anne looks like she was in a knife fight and got her throat slit .... But she's gettin' along in years, so a scar or two is to be expected.
That's my Layman's opinion. The well educated numismatists are still in bed, but I'm sure they'll have more stimulating thoughts than me.
Chance
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10/13/2017 04:06 am
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Norway
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Nice one! I agree that this one looks better than VF30.
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United States
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another beauty to add to your impressive collection! Congrats
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United States
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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Lovely Draped Bust!
My one and only Draped Bust is also an 1802.
Paul Bulgerin
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Wow. Solid EF-45, maybe 50. Outstanding example. Congrats.
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United States
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GERMANICVS - congratulations on your latest addition. That's a beauty  Member ANA and EAC "You got to lose to know how to win". Dream On by Aerosmith |
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Finland
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That is a real beauty. As I'm not familiar with older U.S coins so no comments on grade from me. But I love that light halo glow effect on portrait outlline.
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Nice one - great addition.
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United States
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Looked like a new "finest known" to me when I saw it.
I like metal detecting, but the coins you dig are always trashed. Its fun to dig them, but they'll never be worth anything other than the enjoyment of taking something out of the ground that's laid there 150 years.
The reverse design is so delicate on the Draped bust. Its amazing that the stems and the bar in the fraction are still rounded. The surfaces are so smooth. I really admire that one.
Yep, I'd love to have one anywhere close to that nice for sure. It would look great in my 7070 next to the open hole where a great classic head will one day sit.
Chance
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10/13/2017 5:05 pm
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United States
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Absolutely superb example. Congratulations. Are you planning to submit it?
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United States
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Very lovely coin with great detail. I think you are greatly under-grading this coin. If this coin grades straight, this will be an AU 50 or better. It's the grading straight part that I'm not so sure about.
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United States
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United States
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I agree that its AU... This is one area where "Photograde" just ain't gonna get you there. These dies are so indvidualistic (unique) that looking at another die pairing is just "apples and oranges". I dug an AU details 1794 S-65. That coin looks nothing like the "apple cheeks" variety, or any other for that matter. You have to really know the series ... and I don't know enough to even try to give a numerical assignment. I wouldn't be real sure that the TPGs would even have the necessary expertise to make the right call. I understand that it's "consensus" ... but 5 guys who aren't intimately familiar with the series and the varieties, may be 5 times worse than just one guy without the necessary expertise.
No "one size fits all" in this area.
Chance
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Thank you all for your comments. Very much appreciated. Chancellor, I would love to see that S-65 you found. Finding that must have been a tremendous experience. I am pleased with this S-238. It is a distinctive variety within 1802's and the scarcest (besides the NC's of course). As far as the grade is concerned - I have to say I have trouble assigning a grade to my own coins, and still try to be objective (most collectors do!). Whatever the case, though, it is a pretty coin. By way of comparison, these two are currently considered to be the best known, and have been part of the Reynolds, Naftzger and Holmes collections:     |
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