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Valued Member
United States
97 Posts |
I ordered coins from a popular ebay seller (I'll leave out his name for now) and received the package USPS. It was torn open and empty. I've ordered over $1,000 in coins from him in the past. luckily this time it was about $80. I emailed him to let him know it was empty expecting him to refund my money and file a claim from his end with USPS. Instead he tells me to take pictures and take the envelope to the post office to file a claim myself. Is that my responsibility? I emailed him back and told him that I thought that was his responsibility but he has not responded. What are your thoughts?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
2850 Posts |
I have not had this happen to me personally, but from my understanding, once a package says 'Delivered' it is out of the seller's responsibility. I would go file a claim with the post office to get things rolling and to see if they can do anything for you.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
4867 Posts |
If you paid with PayPal I think they have some protections you can take advantage of. I had an empty bubble mailer arrive that was torn open and empty. I had 3-4 rolls of wheaties and e-mailed the seller and promptly mailed replacements in a box.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
10284 Posts |
Email your postmaster at the last USPS destination. Take pictures of the package and include them and describe the scenerio in your email. Keep the package and print out the tracking info. If you get no satisfaction, make a complaint with the BBB and send them copies of your emails and photos. Also open a case with Paypal and ebay. You are expected to do everything you can to assist in a case like this.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
7614 Posts |
Get the case on record by filing a claim with ebay. They advertise "get the item you ordered or get your money back"! Hold them to it! Expect ebay to automatically reject the claim since the package shows it was delivered. You'll have to appeal and up the heat by calling in and talking to a real person at ebay. Persistence should pay off in the long run. Good luck!
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Rest in Peace
United States
17900 Posts |
You've received good advice above. Start the process in person at the post office that delivered the package.
Human contact is often worth a dozen emails.
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CCF Advertiser
United States
1533 Posts |
I think once the package says delivered, it becomes less of an insurance claim and more of a criminal investigation. File a complaint with the PO.
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Rest in Peace
10197 Posts |
Unfortunately seller is correct, he has the "legal" means to stand on, morally it is a feature of ebay that to me is a bad business principle. Meant strictly to promote and retain sales through "happy" sellers at the expense as here, of the buyer who now has to hassle the "set system" of "policy". The seller is protected by ebay, they need them more than buyers in their business model After working as a rural mail carrier for five years, I can attest to how small packages can be "mis-" handled, especially by the regional facility or local clerks in charge of distributing these parcels. The individual carriers for the most part value their jobs too much to try to steal contents, it is usually the newer "sub" or "temporary hire" folks that don't realize 1) there are one way glass "observation" rooms overlooking the work areas, 2) the job of a supervisor is to "monitor" a carrier's performance on a bi-annual basis(they tail your delivery route in unmarked vehicles) or if suspect of malfeasance, the postal dicks(detectives) will. Thieves are usually caught, since they do repeat their performances. Saw subs get taken away in cuffs from the casing floor for dumping those lovely slick advertising junk mail in a dumpster or steam open cards and remove the cash(only) Grandma gift. Now, can you tell if it was torn open intentionally or became ripped in middle of package? Did the coins sound like a baby's rattle due to improper packaging? Was the parcel TAPED thoroughly on all ends/seams depending on type? Was there any suspicious delay in tracking record(hope you had one)? These are questions that the postmaster will(should) ask. Contact THE POSTMASTER, not your carrier or counter clerk. File a formal complaint through him, and him ALONE! Only way to be assured of any hope it MAY get addressed. You can take pictures and persue the police route if you get no where with your local PO, but only as last resort, they usually refer you back to PO.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1346 Posts |
At one time similar scenarios were handled by postal inspectors, not the police.
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Valued Member
 United States
97 Posts |
Thanks for all of the great feedback. I'll follow your advice and let you know how it turns out. Crazyb0...to answer a few of your questions. This seller usually packs the coins in a bag, wrapped and taped in bubble wrap and wrapped and taped in an invoice. Great packaging! Typically he requires a signature but I guess since it was less than $100 order he didn't send it that way. It was torn along the end of the envelope like someone opened it. It's possible it was torn by a machine too but doesn't really look like it.
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Bedrock of the Community
13014 Posts |
Quote: I emailed him to let him know it was empty expecting him to refund my money and file a claim from his end with USPS. Instead he tells me to take pictures and take the envelope to the post office to file a claim myself. Is that my responsibility? I emailed him back and told him that I thought that was his responsibility but he has not responded. What are your thoughts? In the case of a damaged package like that or one where the contents are stolen the responsibility really does fall on the person who received the package. If the package is lost it's on the seller and doesn't make a difference who starts the process. But in your case with these damage/stolen from packages USPS won't care what anyone has to say but you. You're the one who got it, you're the one with the proof of what happened to it. Also contact the postal inspectors. Quote: At one time similar scenarios were handled by postal inspectors, not the police. They still are, local police won't do anything.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
3468 Posts |
Did the shipper send this in a damaged envelope or keep the item? Did the buyer cut this out and report the item missing? Was the packaged damaged and the item simply lost in shipping? Did a postal worker cut the envelope and take the item? All things ebay, USPS and the insurer have to consider before settling a claim. I truly hope this works out in your favor.
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Valued Member
 United States
97 Posts |
Good news...the seller went ahead and issued me a refund. I'm afraid the USPS will be the only winner in this situation.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
7614 Posts |
Was the package even insured by the sender?
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Valued Member
 United States
97 Posts |
I don't think so. I put the tracking number into USPS website to file a claim and it said it was not insured.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
94367 Posts |
Agree you should open an issue in the Resolution Center on ebay and persist politely.
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