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Bedrock of the Community
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I was looking at this coin. What do you think the grade is? The PCGS grade is in the next post. Do you agree?   IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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Bedrock of the Community
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 Does this make sense?  IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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United States
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No, it doesn't. It is vf at best.
This is one of those coins that was probably sent in by one of the big auction houses in a bulk submission and received favorable treatment by the graders.
(Yes, I have been a longtime conspiracy proponent that grading is not anonymous and some submitters get preferential treatment. It's been that way a long time in my opinion!)
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Bedrock of the Community
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No, it doesn't make sense. I would put VG on it, max F. Most certainly not XF.  In Memory of Crazyb0 12-26-1951 to 7-27-2020
In Memory of Tootallious 3-31-1964 to 4-15-2020
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Taiwan
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 I'm no expert but this is no XF |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Here's a 1903 Indian Head that was given the same grade by guess who.   |
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United States
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This is one of those coins that was probably sent in by one of the big auction houses in a bulk submission and received favorable treatment by the graders.
(Yes, I have been a longtime conspiracy proponent that grading is not anonymous and some submitters get preferential treatment. It's been that way a long time in my opinion!) Isn't it a simpler theory to assume that an error was made? The principle of simplicity (also known as "Ockham's Razor," "Principle of Parsimony") states that one should always privilege the simpler theory over a complex one, if both account for the facts. |
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As someone once said "never suppose a conspiracy when simple stupidity would suffice". In other words, it is more likely to be a mistake than a conspiracy.
Could any dealer really expect to get XF prices for that item? Deliberate over-grading would not do any good.
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10/26/2017 07:53 am
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Rest in Peace
United States
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Had to be an error on PCGS . Even a newbie wouldn't call that EF-45 .  |
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United States
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No way that's an XF coin. It's a low VF at best IMO.
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Had to be an error on PCGS I was wondering if maybe the graders only use the numerical portion of the grade, and the "labeling" dept. misread a handwritten 15 for a 45. F15 seems like a fair grade for this coin. |
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Rest in Peace
United States
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I would count your supposition, Big Silver, as the most likely.
Now post the 10,000 that were graded correctly that day.
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Bedrock of the Community
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Terrible grade. I'd hardly give it VF.
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Posted 10/26/2017 12:33 am
