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Ugly Or Beautiful? Trade Dollar

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We all know eye appeal is highly subjective. So I thought I would test out our community's eye appeal preferences with this Trade dollar.
Ugly-Or-Beautiful?-Trade-Dollar
Ugly-Or-Beautiful?-Trade-Dollar

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 Ugly: She fell off the ugly tree and the branches didn't help
 Beautiful: is she single?

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I really would prefer a whiter coin, but that is just MY subjective feeling.
If it were mine, I would tempted to take it to a professional dealer friend of mine and ask him to dip it. The reason for asking HIM to do it is because he would have a better idea of how long it should be exposed.
Otherwise, I would do it myself, and not bother with the value consequences.

I have about 35 nice, whiter looking World silver crowns before 1900 in my collection, and without a dip, this coin would be the only 'black sheep'.
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A similar question might be, "would you buy this coin"?

Then the answer depends on price, as it would give a more definitive answer.

I don't mind circulation cameos, although I have avoided them with my own Trade dollar.

$250, I'd buy it
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Over all,I don't mind it. But the hazy look kinda bothers me.
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I like it, but I would like it better if it had the lightest of dips to get rid of the haze and maybe 1/2 the toning, if such a thing is possible.

I have reduced toning by adding a few drops of dip solution into a quantity of water that just covers the coin.
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I would prefer there to be a "middle of the road" poll choice. Wouldn't mind owning the coin at all, if the price is right, but it's a little dark for my usual preferences. Think it'd be a good chance to get a higher technical grade than one could normally afford.

There are hints on this coin that it ought to spend some time soaking in acetone. I may be wrong; what I see might be toning or verdigris (couldn't hurt to dessicate any verdigris with acetone either; acetone will pull the water content out of verdigris and slow the development) but either way the coin would be soaking right now if I owned it.
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It kind of looks like it was already dipped in acetone and if this is the result of a mild conservation I wouldn't want it, there's too many green spots on it still.
It will be interesting to see what PCGS had to say about it.
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I agree with the acetone soak. There is more going on with this coin than just toning.
That said, I love dark-ish toning on big silver. I'd invite this lady to share my cluttered home in a soldier's heartbeat. She would find herself in familiar company and loved for enduring the vagaries of time so well.
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What is going on with the rings around the stars? I don't think I've ever seen toning like this on a coin. Could this indicate a dip or soak?
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I think it's really bad advice to recommend a "light" dip on this coin. I mean if we are an educational forum, how can we provide this recommendation? This coin is as original as you can probably get in this series and there's are a lot of collectors, like myself, that would pay a premium to get it just the way it is. I have looked at a lot of coins with this toning. I think there is some confusion on what people describe as "haze" and halo around the stars. I would bet that this haze is a blue toning and it's quite attractive in hand. I have no doubts that if this coin looked like it does in the image as it does in-hand (and is fairly graded) then it is a sure-fire CAC candidate. That's my thoughts before even knowing what it graded so I hope I'm not stepping out on a limb here . I'm basing it on the images and not an in hand examination.


Please don't misunderstand what I'm saying, we are all entitled to our opinion and if you don't like the toning of this coin or feel it is too dark for your tastes then that is fine. I'm not trying to change your opinion or perspective at all. But, if it's not for you, then best thing for the hobby would be to sell it or better yet not even acquire it in the first place BUT PLEASE DO NOT dip a coin that looks like this in an effort to lighten it up.
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The rings around the stars are from an old, old cleaning in which the protected areas were not touched. A dip or soak won't do that. I'd look for hairlines underneath the toning. It may not dip out well because of that.
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The darker,deeper toning and color surrounding the devices on both sides mostly noticeable around the Stars,Date,Olive branch and the USOA and the difference OF the contrast in the field tells me that this coin has gone through some sort of a previous conservation I would be hesitant repeating the process again.
In my opinion ( since you've asked) the toning is way too dark for my taste in spite of being a fan of toned coins.
But what it boils down to is the beauty is in the Eye of the beholder, if it pleases you then own it.
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Since there was only two choices, I went ugly which was my first impression, but it was like a 51/49 thing.
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Personally, I'm not a fan.
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It's nicer than the one I (don't) have
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I would prefer there to be a "middle of the road" poll choice. Wouldn't mind owning the coin at all, if the price is right, but it's a little dark for my usual preferences.
I agree.
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