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LMC Error: 1969 Die Chip (?) And 1984 Ghosting + Rotated Die

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 Posted 11/04/2017  11:08 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Guybrush to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hello.

I have a few US coins I inherited from my aunt and decided to look through them.

Here's the first: 1969 with a possible Cud?

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On the reverse, to the left of the man there's an almost rectangle shaped raise where it shouldn't be.

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It's a bit hard to see from photos but here's a schematic about what I mean:

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Now for the second: there's some ghosting to the bottom-right.


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After putting in the 2x2 I noticed that the coin rotation is not 180°:


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So, my questions here are:
1. Is it really a Cud on the first coin?
2. Are they worth more than face value?
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11/04/2017 12:22 pm
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1. No, Cuds have to involve the rim of the coin. It could be a die chip, damage to the coin, or it may even be part of the design. It's hard to tell because of how worn the coin is.

2. Sorry, these probably aren't worth any more than face value.
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 Posted 11/04/2017  11:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Guybrush to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So probably it's die chip since it's raised anyway, thanks for your opinion
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 Posted 11/04/2017  12:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Correct, die chip. Don't see any added value in these.
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GB, #1 is most likely either a product of Die Deterioration as evidenced by other devices or remotely a DDR. Dont think is a die chip, since follows the seat outline, just die wear in that area.

#2 is planchet problem, most likely is zinc rot beneath the surface plating, some foreign substance entombed upon plating process started oxidation.
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 Posted 11/04/2017  1:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Guybrush to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks.

But does zinc rot cause the surface to rise or sink?
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Quote:
does zinc rot cause the surface to rise or sink


At first it will cause a bubble (rise) then it will slowly eat away at the zinc causing a pit (sink)
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I see, thanks for the info everyone
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Rotation of a coin only counts when it is 45 degrees or larger. Sometimes during a clash, the dies will alter a bit. (like your coin. How much is 45 degrees?
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It would be equal to corner to corner on a 2X2.
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