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1814 Capped Bust Half For Grading

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xf-au details cleaned and retoned. looks unnaturally white.
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VF, details, cleaned. Still, it's a great looking coin. Love the obverse bullseye tone.

I don't think this would make it through a righteous TPG submission. But if you aren't submitting, it doesn't matter.

I would buy this, which is my best review.
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EF details, badly cleaned.
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It may well be that the surfaces are cleaned and reflecting too strongly, or it may be that a couple points lower Exposure Compensation would change the look enough to change minds. Honestly, for originality I would expect more of a a "shadowed" look around the stars, with more color progression noted radiating equidistantly from them. This seems maybe cleaned and toned relatively quickly, all at once, with the more homogenous surfaces of a circulated and then cleaned coin toning at an identical rate when an original-surfaces coin should not due to the differing surface crystallization of high- versus low-pressure locations.

Not that it isn't a lovely and deserving example, just that if my thoughts were confirmed in-hand I might be persuaded to even things out a bit with some windowsill time.

Edit: Oh, yeah: nice VF, almost XF.
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I agree with VF cleaned and retoned. Do I see a die clash near the hair curls by her cap?
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Love the toning but just about xf cleaned and retoned. Stick it in an album if the price is right.
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EF-40 Details.
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Mike - Kind of surprised that this coin appealed to you.
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Would you believe me if I told you guys this coin graded straight at xf-40?

https://www.greatcollections.com/Co...-XF-40-Toned
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EF-40 details, cleaned.
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IMO, this isn't market acceptable and shouldn't be in a straight grade holder. Heck, I think the EF-40 part was a stretch. Shame on PCGS. Probably leinience provided for a bulk submitter. I know, I'm a conspiracy theororist.
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So, enjoy the nice toning, it's legit. Were you the buyer, Mike? (If so, I'll give you the Overton variety.) I'd give PCGS the benefit of the doubt, due to their experience and state-of-the-art equipment for detecting such things. The excessive whiteness and scratches on the reverse must just be an overexposed pic.
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Would you believe me if I told you guys this coin graded straight at xf-40?


Yes, I'd believe it. The image source explains the excessive exposure; this is something both GC and Heritage do as deliberate compromises to illustrate as much technical detail as possible, at the cost of throwing opinions of surface originality off. That latter doesn't matter so much to them, as the coins they're offering are slabbed and the opinion on the slab should stand from their point of view.

Both the grade and the price are a bit of a stretch, though.
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