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1920-S Standing Liberty Quarter

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Hi,
What grade would you give this SLQ?

The mark above the elbow is raised (diecrack?)and the reverse fields are full of diepolishing lines.


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 Posted 11/11/2017  08:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add T-BOP to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
She's a beauty ! But I don't know why the 1 in date is tilted to the left . If genuine - MS-63/64 FH .
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A 1920-S quarter this well struck is extremely scarce. An MS64 sells for $1,000 and an MS64 with Full Head sells for $4,000. You should send it to PCGS or NGC and have it graded. The 1 tilting left is a concern. This looks like a beautifully struck coin, and this is not something you see every day. Hope it grades straight and high.

25c 1920-S: Taken as a whole, the Roaring Twenties witnessed some of the poorest produced coins in the history of the San Francisco mint. This is true not just of the Standing Liberty quarters, but also of the nickels, dimes and half dollars produced at the time. Both obverse and reverse almost always display weak strikes, making it one of the top strike rarities in the series, eclipsing even the 1919-D and 1919-S. It is second only to the 1927-S in terms of fewest high-grade survivors, with and without Full Head status. The elusiveness of Gem quality and finer Full Head examples has lead to pricing pressure on non Full Heads as well, particularly in the upper uncirculated grades.
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 Posted 11/11/2017  10:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Imthealphaomega to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The date looks suspicious it almost looks too good to be true.
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I was thinking that the "1" was grease filled but I might be wrong.

Here's a photo from a different angle.


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Taking away everything else as background noise, the outstanding feature of this coin is the strike. This date is very scarce when it is well struck. This coin has an outstanding strike, when most 1920S's are weakly struck. I think you need to send this in to PCGS.

Oddly the one doesn't look as tilted in this picture.
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The last photo makes Liberty's face look wrong, with features too sharp for a genuine coin. The 2 in the date also looks too flat on top but seems better in the first photo. The 1 actually looks OK, matching the appearance of certified examples on the Heritage website.
The granular look of the obverse is a little concerning. The reverse looks very nice, with no suspicious features.

I'm sure deceptive Chinese counterfeits exist. If the weight checks out (6.25 grams) I would send this piece to PCGS for authentication and grading. Not sure about FH status since I can't see the three leaves in the hair but if genuine an MS-64 grade for this piece seems appropriate.
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Wow what a nice strike! If possible, see if you can get another picture of the coin tilted or in less light so that it doesn't wash the head detail out. Would like to see if it is indeed a Full Head as we think it may be. Agree with Numismatic Student that as pictured the coin looks MS-64 at least. Love it and thanks for not cleaning it!
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Have you seen this coin in hand?

When viewing the pictures, the surfaces have a grainy appearance.

How about the toning/discoloration on the obverse (near the edges)?
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Super strike! The mark above the elbow is a clash mark from the eagle's tail. You can also see a clashed E just outside Liberty's right knee. I'd say MS-63 FH.
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 Posted 11/11/2017  2:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tomasal to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Incredible detail. Weigh it carefully without scratch, pack it up and have it graded. What's the story on the coin? inherited or purchased
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I'll say 63, not FH.
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Pictures are small but I think it's genuine. It kinda looks AU but if it wasn't it would probably be a 63. Glare makes it hard to see the head. Dipped?
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That has to be the best-struck 20S SLQ I've ever seen!
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I want to thank everyone for their opinion on this coin and also for the extra information numistmatic student provided about the weak strikes.

This is a great forum and I'm a longtime reader

I bought this coin as a type coin.

I tried to take some new photos with only daylight as lightsource. It's really hard to get a good photo of the head but I think it might be abit weak to get FH.
I also took some pictures of the reverse to show the different toning and diepolishing lines.
The weight is 6.26 grams.


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Well it's not a full head IMO but I'd still send it in to be graded. Thanks for the additional pics.
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