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Hi all, I was given this coin recently as a gift when my parents downsized to a smaller apartment. I have no clue about coins but saw several examples and it seems this coin may have a little value but also there is a lot of counterfeits out there. I have taken a picture and was wondering what the thoughts of the experts are of this forum? Real? Counterfeit? good or bad shape? worth grading or not? I did weigh it and it was only 12.4 grams which makes me suspicious as it is supposed to weigh 12.5 grms. Anyway thanks for who can help J   |
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CCF Master Historian of USA Commemoratives
United States
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My initial impression is that it is a genuine coin. I would, however, like to see a larger image of the reverse - the current image shows a graininess that I would like to examine closer.
Considering the wear on the coin, the 12.4 vs. 12.5 grams measurement isn't a big concern.
As you know, the coin is far from pristine...In its condition, I'm not sure I would pay to have it graded. If genuine it's likely worth $250 or less - depending on the service selected, it could cost you $40 to $50 to grade it (including postage & insurance both ways).
Collecting history one coin or medal at a time! (c) commems. All rights reserved.
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 Israel
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Thanks jbuck for the welcome and commems for your expertise. Yep the coin looks a bit dirty with the black and was going to clean/polish it  Thankfully Internet told me leave it as is. I imagine it has been in the family for at lease 50 years so am glad it is probably real. Was offered $50 for it but I thought it would be worth more a little more. Below are some more pictures (sorry dont have a real camera and it seems I cant take good photos either). Thanks J    |
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I imagine it has been in the family for at lease 50 years so am glad it is probably real.
Was offered $50 for it but I thought it would be worth more a little more. If it has been in the family that long, I would think the sentimental value is much greater that that fifty dollar offer.  |
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Pillar of the Community
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I grade it XF.
Retail says $300.
You should be able to get about $150-200 for it.
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Bedrock of the Community
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I'm sure it's OK, but boy those reverse rims look wide! to the CCF! Edited by Coinfrog
11/16/2017 4:31 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I was just going to say the rims look funky to me, but coinfrog beat me to it. What does commems or moxking have to say about the rims?
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CCF Master Historian of USA Commemoratives
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I'm sure it's OK, but boy those reverse rims look wide! Missouri's have wide rims - especially the reverse. Collecting history one coin or medal at a time! (c) commems. All rights reserved.
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Rest in Peace
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A photo of the edge would help.
With those rims it is either a counterfeit or it may have been in and removed from a bezel.
The wear pattern is very inconsistent, especially on the obverse. The two railroad tracks on the cheek don't appear to displace any metal around those indentations.
I'm quite suspicious of this coin, but the photos provided make it difficult to make a certain determination.
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to the CCF. You found the proper place to obtain truly expert opinions on this coin. My opinion ... based on the 2nd set of photographs provided ... I believe it is an authentic XF range example ... with issues. The hairlines shown on the obverse (front) side indicate the coin has already been cleaned ... despite your excellent choice to not do so yourself. Also noted is the rim damage ... seen again in the obverse photo as a widening of the rim at 7pm and the damage a bit further up. Similar issues are seen on the reverse (back) side. Possible (likely) this coin was once in a bezel. Soooo ... my view ... authentic XF 1925 Missouri details cleaned bezel removed. Nice inheritance ... but not worthy of TPG certification. Take a look at my other hobby ... http://www.jk-dk.art |
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Yep the coin looks a bit dirty with the black and was going to clean/polish it Thankfully Internet told me leave it as is.  Quote:
Soooo ... my view ... authentic XF 1925 Missouri details cleaned bezel removed. I agree with cleaned, especially on the obverse with those scratches in the fields and darkness in the devices. Would love to inherit that coin, but yeah, like the others here I don't think I'd send it for grading. Edited by CelticKnot
11/17/2017 11:48 pm
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New Member
Israel
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Many Thanks for all the welcomes and expertise.
I have to say this is really nice and welcoming forum.
I will hold on to the Missouri and the next time I am in the States will have a dealer confirm if it is genuine.
Thanks all
J
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Definitely a nice coin. Looks genuine to my eye. As for the cleaning, It only looks to have been cleaned on the obverse left field. The reverse is a full AU-55 with claims to AU-58 whereas the obverse looks a decent AU-50. The rim looks a bit dinged up on the obverse from 6 o'clock to 8 O'clock. All in all a nice coin.
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There were two varieties issued for this commemorative. With and without a 2(star)4 in the field on the obverse. Yours is the without variety.
Your coin has bag marks on the man's cheek and it appears to be harshly cleaned (rub marks on the obverse) and those will affect the value (downward).
The wide rims seem to be common on these commemorative, but your coin exhibits extraordinarily wide rims particularly on the reverse.
There appears to be extra metal on the rim above the MISSOURI. There also seems to be some extra metal on the obverse rim which would be in the same area of the coin. Can you examine that and make a comment?
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New Member
Israel
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Hi,
In answer to nss-52 - I think it is my photos that are misleading. Looking at the black on the word Missouri it is not metal but more like a resin or glue that is black and not part of the coin just stuck on the coin. It is only on that side of the coin on Missouri Centennial and towards the bottom. Maybe it was glued to something in the past.
As for the rims I think it is this black glue/resin that gives a false impression of thinner/wider rims.
Hope what I write makes sense.
Thanks all
J
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