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Poll Question
I recently posted a similar poll in the Stamp Community Forum. https://www.stampcommunity.org/topi...PIC_ID=57847 They actually have a "Checks, Stocks and Bonds" sub-forum, with a philatelic focus (revenue stamped paper). It seems like a subforum along these lines would make even more sense among paper money collectors. What do other forum members think? Should we include things like scrip, too?
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I posted this stock certificate in the currency forum and it got moved to the Exonumia section here: http://goccf.com/f/11Didn't exactly fit there in my opinion because a bank stock certificate is closely related to a bank that issued bank notes. I wouldn't mind a subforum for these types. I really enjoy collecting bonds too, but I never post them because the last one I posted got moved.  Edited by WheatBack
11/26/2017 3:56 pm
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Although it is not a precise genre, stocks, bonds, and SCRIP is often assigned to Revenues which is more closely associated with stamps, rather than coins.
Even under that general heading their are some pieces that escape to the exonumic category. State issued sales tax tokens would be one of many possible examples.
The vast majority of collectors in the bonds, stocks, and checks collecting come from a stamp background rather than a Coin background.
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"The vast majority of collectors in the bonds, stocks, and checks collecting come from a stamp background rather than a Coin background."
That's interesting, I wouldn't have guessed that. I can certainly see the philatelic connection with items that have revenue stamps. But there seems a much stronger connection to the visual similarities with paper money. Many stocks, bonds and checks were printed by American Bank Note Co. and other smaller bank note companies. They often share vignettes and portraits found on obsolete notes and foreign currency. And with the stamp collecting hobby dwindling, I would think the number of paper money collectors is growing or at least stable. Hence more stock/bond collectors coming from this area.
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11/26/2017 5:06 pm
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I believe the catalog produced by the State Revenue Society gives a full explanation on what and why items are included in that guide. That book is a monster. Better than 80 percent of those in that society come from a stamp background.
How do I know? I've published one book in that field and those that buy it are almost exclusively stamp collectors.
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Even if there wasn't enough room they could remove one of the less visited sub-forums.
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There are always grey areas, it seems, that do not fit neatly into stamps or coins/ banknotes. Exonumia is a very broad category, and it might be a better fit there. I am rather interested in exonumia but I have no checks or stocks. This is not because I not interested, but because I already collect too much and have to draw the line somewhere.
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So I have a strong opinion on this one -- which is that paper items absolutely do NOT belong in the Exonumia category. That category is appropriate for medals, tokens and other coin-like objects which are not coins. If we lump in stocks and bonds then we might as well include stamps, savings bonds, and military payment certificates.
Addendum: A quick search of the 3460 topics posted in the Exonumia subforum, brought up exactly two related to bonds or stock certificates, and just a handful related to checks/cheques.
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11/26/2017 7:22 pm
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I'm for it.  |
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I was just speaking to a fellow cheque collector (and dealer) at a coin show today and we were commenting how we rarely see anything at shows as numismatic dealers don't know what to do with them (or they hugely overprice them) and how we have better success finding items at stamp shows where they ignore the financial history and look only at the stamp. I used to post over at the stamp site for cheques (I don't collect stamps), but it was pretty dead there. As long as no one knows how to categorize these items, this will be an issue. Perhaps the fault lies with we collectors, some sort of publication would help others learn and attract more collectors.
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While stamp shows may be better for finding revenue stamped items, how are they for items without stamps? I am asking because I have never attended a stamp show. There are about a half dozen paper money dealers who attend the large paper money shows as well as FUN and ANA who have large inventories of checks. Richard Horst is one I can think of off the top of my head. I was a member of the American Society of Check Collectors for a few years. I dropped it because their focus is almost entirely revenue items. |
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Hmmm, let me fully disclose I am a member of the American Society of Check Collectors and encourage all check collectors to try it. Now, a challenge to chequer and lettow: Join the ASCC for one year and if at the end of that year you think your dues were wasted I will personally reimburse each of you. Website: www.ascheckcollectors.org |
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I was already a member for five years. In that time there was a single article in the newsletter that interested me -- one on Montgomery Ward checks -- but I knew more than the author did on the subject.
I also attended an ASCC meeting at Memphis. The others only wanted to talk about revenue imprints something that I have no interest in.
I ran an ad in the newsletter for government checks. I received one response from someone I already knew.
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I was a member of the ASCC for many years, but that was almost 20 years ago (I was the director for Canada). I used to hold round table meetings at local shows too. I contacted the ASCC again just a couple years ago and the person said the club was almost dead, but I still joined. I didn't receive anything. My interest is in Atlantic Canadian cheques and I don't recall ever seeing anything in the years I was a member, but I was a member because I believe in supporting organizations promoting the hobby (I'm active in many other clubs). Is there activity again? Are they issuing a regular journal/newsletter?
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What's happened to the ASCC is exactly what is happening to stamp organizations across the country -- they are dying from the attrition of members. It makes sense if they are so closely allied with stamp collecting. Which is why check collecting would be bolstered by members who come at it from a different hobby field ... and a sub-forum here would help do that.
And, full disclosure, I am a stamp collector, though not so active these days.
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I'm not a stocks/bonds collector, EXCEPT when I see one with some vintage machinery on it. I'm an old softie for those old machines. =====   |
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