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A Continuing Thread ~ Post Your Tokens, Medals, Exonumia Acquisitions

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 Posted 07/23/2018  9:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TNG to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have posted several medals with Theodore Roosevelt in this thread but couldn't seem to get a hold of this one at a bargain price until just awhile ago. It is the smaller version but it will do.
I like the "Bully!" smile on this one. He is one of my very favorite presidents and American heroes.

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The Hall of Fame For Great Americans New York University. Theodore Roosevelt. Smaller version bronze medal is 1.75 inches in diameter.
It weighs 48.4 Grams.
Made by The Medallic Art Co of NY.

The obverse is a portrait of Theodore Roosevelt, smiling robustly, with "The Hall of Fame for Great Americans at New York University - 1858 Theodore Roosevelt 1919".

The reverse is Roosevelt riding a horse with "Men Can Never Escape Being Governed".

This popular iconic image of Teddy Roosevelt was taken at Oyster Bay in 1912 shortly after his nomination by the new Progressive party.

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 Posted 07/23/2018  10:47 pm  Show Profile   Check spru's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add spru to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am a fan of Teddy.
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 Posted 07/24/2018  04:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 1c5d7n5m to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
great medal from a great president - fantastic portrait !

the National Parks of the US are unique in the world; Europe never achieved anything that even comes close
https://www.nps.gov/thro/learn/hist...eb-sites.htm
the world becomes a better place with leaders like Theodore Roosevelt
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He is one of my very favorite presidents and American heroes.
Mine too. He is one of what I call the Four Horsemen of the Republican Party: Abe, Teddy, Ike, and Ron. It pleases me that I have a Coin & Chronicles set for all four of them.
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 Posted 07/25/2018  06:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 1c5d7n5m to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nürnberg jeton brass 3,84 g.
n.d. Louis XIV (1638-1715) royal treasury

obverse: LUDOVICUS. MAGNUS. REX. signed T

reverse: tree full of fruit
NON. SPEM. DELVSIT (he will not delude hope)


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 Posted 07/25/2018  09:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TNG to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
1c5d7n5m nice one again, please explain to me what the use or purpose of these jetons were.
Were they of monetary or trade value or a way to publicize the people and events of the times?
I do realize that jetons and tokens are related, but I also think jetons and medals are too.
You would think I'd know but I don't. I would appreciate knowing this. Thanks
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Nürnberg jeton brass 3,84 g.
n.d. Louis XIV (1638-1715) royal treasury
Very nice!
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 Posted 07/25/2018  1:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 1c5d7n5m to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
thanks TNG and jbuck


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complicated question !
I will try all the same, knowing a little about the jetons of The Netherlands, far less about those of France and Germany and virtually nothing about Conder Tokens or Hard Time Tokens

One root goes back into calculations performed on a calculation board in a time the monetary system was complicated (many units) and the decimal system not yet in place. A board with jetons allowed efficient calculation of amounts of money: this explains the word <i>Rechenpfennig</i> or <i>Raitpfennig</i> (German) or <i>Rekenpenning</i> (Dutch).

The French 'jeton' was also used for calculations. But jeter means to throw (into a crowd for instance) as happened in France and Burgundian Netherlands, on occassion of a celebration like a marriage http://goccf.com/t/301479&whichpage=43#2723381). The copper jetons were small money equivalent to two liards. On many of the jetons of the Burgundian Netherlands there are variants of this word, gectoir or iectoir being the most common variant. The legend on the OBV. of this piece from around 1450 (made in Tournai, Burgundian Netherlands - maybe a variant not yet listed in Dugniolle), summarizes it well

GETTES x BIEN x PAIES x BIEN
good jetons pay well

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Previously in this thread I posted an example (issued by the "bureau des finances of the king of Spain and issued in Brussels in 1575) which uses the word Gectoir on the reverse:

http://goccf.com/t/301479&whichpage=45#2729773

but the obverse is far more interesting; IN ADVERSA CONSTANS, with a person holding to a pillar battered by strong winds is a political statement of Brussels, that in difficult times of war the course of politics will not change. This piece illustrates a third root of the use of jetons: P.R. and polical propaganda. In the period 1568-1648 (the 80 years war in The Netherlands) political jetons became a prime channel for propaganda. Newspapers, radio and TV were not available in those days. Here is another example shown earlier in this thread when the cities of Nijmegen and Antwerp were captured by Alexander Farnese, and the Dutch asked for help from England:

http://goccf.com/t/301479&whichpage=47#2733582

The satirical jeton on the dispute in 1553 between Calvin and Servet http://goccf.com/t/319826&whichpage=2#2759524) and the enigmatic comments of 1634 on the famine in the South http://goccf.com/t/324013#2767185) are examples from hundreds of interesing jetons. Many were produced with sophisticated dies and objects of prestige (some were produced in silver instead of copper)

A fourth root of the jeton is indeed related to tokens produced by companies or guilds or institutions. Many examples exist in France and in the Netherlands. It is not my area of collecting

A final root goes to small metal items used for playing games, these were made in large numbers, around 1 gram or less in weight and are often of lesser quality. Perhaps less interesting for coin collectors
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 Posted 07/25/2018  6:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TNG to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
An excellent response to my questions. Thank you 1c5d7n5m !
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 Posted 07/25/2018  6:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TNG to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My images were improved for the 1914 "Spanking the Kaiser Pig" medal. It does appear to be silver in hand.
( Doesn't matter much anyway )
http://goccf.com/t/301479&whichpage=57#2766990
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 Posted 07/26/2018  04:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 1c5d7n5m to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
High quality medal; excellent purchase

you could determine the specific gravity of the medal, that would certainly differentiate copper plated with silver from solid silver

interesting detail on the foreground: the imperial eagle watching the scene with a defeated facial expression

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Perhaps the seller used specific gravity test. Said it tested 90% silver. I could compare with a silver quarter result.
I remember doing that in grade school in introductory chemistry where we learned about using Bunsen burners, beakers, and other basic lab equipment.

I do have a scale. Probably if I find it and change the battery, I will give this a whirl. The loops may throw it off tho? Found a short yoooo tooobe to show this simple test.

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if the loops/rings are not silver it could make an error of a few %
but when the medal is silver (Belgium probably 83%) you expect a SG >10.0 even with the rings
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We shant hold our breath for results but I hope to get around to this sometime. Thanks
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Copper jeton made around 1600 in Nürnberg by Hans Laufer for king Henri IV

OBV coats-of-arms of France (left) and Navarra (right) surrounded by the "collier de l'ordre de St Michel". signed HL. legend: HANS LAUFER RECHEN PFEN M

REV Portrait of the king HENRICUS IV FRANCORUM ET NAVARA REX

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Henri IV "the great" (1553-1610) is the founder of the Bourbon dynasty which reigned over France for more than two centuries until the French Revolution. His reign in France started in 1589 after the assissination of his brother-in-law Henry III by a catholic monk. Like in the Netherlands and in other parts of Western Europe, France was immersed for decades in an intense and often violent struggle between the catholic church and the protestant reform (called the Huguenot movement initiated by Calvin in France). For a short introdution of the French Wars of Religion, see http://www.wikiwand.com/en/French_Wars_of_Religion.

1600 Painting by Toussaint Dubreuil of Henry IV as Hercules, defeating the multi-headed monster (the Catholic League)
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Henri IV chose the side of the Huguenot movement and he miraculously escaped from the Saint Bartholomew's Day Massacre in 1572 (one of the most violent events of the French Wars of Religion). As new king of France Henri IV promised the maintenance of the Catholic religion, hoping that this tolerance would end the civil war. In vain, however ! Henri IV was opposed by the Duke of Mayenne who was aided by the military "genius" Alexander Farnese, Duke of Parma, commander of the Spanish Netherlands about whom I have written in previous posts concerning tokens of the Dutch revolt against Spain. Henri IV defeated Mayenne in Normandy in 1589, but he failed to conquer Paris. A loyalist French parliamentwas installed in Tours, while a Spanish garrison settled in Paris. Spain had several claims to France before giving up Paris: a Catholic king, periodicity of States, restoration of provincial liberties, reception of the Council of Trent in France (official embodiment of the counter-reformation http://www.wikiwand.com/en/Council_of_Trent). A truce was signed between Spain and France in July 1593. Henri IV gained power over France and abjured Protestantism; pope Clement VIII gave absolution to Henry in 1596.

1594, anonymous French engraving of the entrance of Henri IV in Paris, source http://www.wikiwand.com/en/Henry_IV_of_France
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But all this did not end the war between Spain and France. Battles followed in Burgundy, in Brittany. (From a numismatic point of view, the Spanish siege of Cambrai is very interesting with different emissions in silver and copper).

Hostilities ended by treaty of Cateau-Cambresis. Religious peace was made by the edict of Nantes (April, 1598) with freedom of religion in France. Henri skilfully surrounded himself with politicians from the catholic and huguenot sides. In 1600, he married Marie de Medici, who gave him a son (future Louis XIII) in 1601. But peace was not very stable. In 1606 hostilities were resumed, France supporting the United Provinces in the war against Spain.

Henri IV, ally of the Dutch Republic, "<i>Coninck van Vranckryk en Navarre</i>" 1614 engraving by H. Jacobsen
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After two unsuccesfull attempts on his life, Henri IV was assassinated in Paris on May 14th, 1610 by François Ravaillac, a catholic fanatic. I posted an engraving of this event before when discussing the jeton of the coronation of Louis XIII in Reims. http://goccf.com/t/301479&whichpage=53#2751275

France was quite small and almost completely surrounded by Spanish territories when Henri IV started his reign in 1589. During the next century, the Bourbon dynasty would chisel off - piece by piece - important Spanish regions (e.g. Burgundy, Spanish Flanders) creating present day France. We discussed before. http://goccf.com/t/301479&whichpage=56#2763327) "what if" in the history of the world if the two countries would have been united into one.
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