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Happy Holidays! I Have Found 2 - 1972 S Cent, Die 2 - Doubled Die's!

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Happy-Holidays!-I-Have-Found-2---1972-S-Cent,-Die-2---Doubled-Die's!
Happy-Holidays!-I-Have-Found-2---1972-S-Cent,-Die-2---Doubled-Die's!
Happy-Holidays!-I-Have-Found-2---1972-S-Cent,-Die-2---Doubled-Die's!
Happy-Holidays!-I-Have-Found-2---1972-S-Cent,-Die-2---Doubled-Die's!
Happy-Holidays!-I-Have-Found-2---1972-S-Cent,-Die-2---Doubled-Die's!
Happy-Holidays!-I-Have-Found-2---1972-S-Cent,-Die-2---Doubled-Die's!
Happy-Holidays!-I-Have-Found-2---1972-S-Cent,-Die-2---Doubled-Die's!
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First off its not doubled die for the mintmark, called RPM, repunched mintmark. Only one is recognized on variety vista.com as a business strike, yours ain't it. It just shows MD as I pointed out yesterday(example #2). #1...? No RPM, Die Deterioration and damage on upper curve.
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Thank you for the Free Copies of your Books Crazybo.
I just haven't narrowed down if both are Mechanical Doubling?
One I can see the other?
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The first one is just later die state deterioration, wearing/stretching around the edges of the devices.

Remember the rule, if the size has DECREASED it is MD, to be a doubled die the size of the devices INCREASES. ALWAYS! That's why sometimes too much magnification hurts more than helps. I use my scope to see split serifs on mintmarks and the notching that happens on some forms of hub doubling. For most DDO / DDRs I'll use no more than a 10x loupe. You start to see ghosts and things that really aren't there with high mag and funky lighting.
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Also those mint marks have taken some hits but I think Crazy has this one. MOST important is the sound advise Crazy gives on magnification. Personally I only go above 10 power for about 5% to 10% of my viewing and then never electronic. I only digitally photo my coins for posting purposes. I like to see um with my eye.
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I agree. If you make a mint mark the size of a billboard it's tougher to find one without problems.
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The line under the mint mark looks like there the polishing of the die, dipped into that area removing more field there, making a raised area under the mint mark. If this were a RPM, they usually raise above the field level. The reason I say usually, depends on how much of the field was reduced. But it looks like a normal mint mark from what I can see. If it were a RPM, I would expect it to be raised about as high as the mint mark. It isn't.
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My old eye dismissed the shadowing under the mint mark. Because I see so many coins were that kind of die damage is a NORMAL feature it doesn't even register. Coop you got an Eagle eye! And a fine tooth comb.
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If you make a mint mark the size of a billboard it's tougher to find one without problems.


True, sometime too much mag hurts more than helps.
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Gentleman, I salute your infinite wisdom, knowledge and dedication to the wonderful Coin Industrial World. As you know, I am a novice coin collecting beginner. I find it a challenge to get simple answers to simple questions here due to my limited knowledge of coin collecting.
I know my questions are annoying but, due to finding it a challenge to ask them correctly in the coin community can be frustrating for me, due to my knowledge of coins.
I have asked about this coin in the past but was met with some very off the wall comments which discouraged me until now. I apologise for my Educated Dummy Questions. I had to find out the truth of the coins in questions.You Gentleman with your findings of it, restore my want to continue coin collecting! Thank you for the heartfelt answers you have given me in getting closer than ever to the truth!
The Coin in question is what you thought it was. There are 2 coins. Both are the 1969 S Lincoln Pennies. My photography equipment is limited.
I need all experts to inform me if either of these coins are worthy of sending to PCGS. I am not sure.
Again Thank You, Cooper and Crazyb0 for your sincere assistance.
Thank you, all and Happy Holidays!


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Greg, to answer about sending in for grading. You have a ways to go before that. Yea, it the "rage" now, but its just that, a fad, bunch of hype, the "make big bucks" appeal. To have a coin really worthy of putting in a plastic coffin(), slab, they need to be higher than a MS68 for most "modern" coins. Those are coins out of mint sets/proof sets, host of best. These will hold value over time as "ordinary" business strike coins. Some error coins and doubled dies, the high value ones may be worthwhile to slab. But with TPG fees running $40 plus, your coin has to have a pretty high value to begin with. Some folks say $200, as a minimum value before submission. See the fallicy of the get rich quick books? They don't tell you that. Only ones getting rich quickly are the writers!


The two coins shown are waaayyy down the scale, see, as no special features, they are "face value", 1c, 5c, 10c, etc. All just normal coins. Every blue moon one of us will find a really good one. Recently a 69S DDO-001 was found, because it was "the big one", even in a beat up circulated state still has a $100+ value, so off to TPG it went. We like to hear these stories, hoping maybe we'll be the next one! So ask away, keep searching, mostly have fun with it!

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Is that Santa I hear? I'll be back with more error coins I have! Thank You!
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Your questions are not annoying in any way. I'm sorry if you got replies that seemed rude. I think you will find that is not the norm here.

If you're new to coin collecting, it's hard to find information on your own because you simply won't know the proper words to use in your search.

It wasn't too many years ago that I gave myself a headache every evening just trying to learn about Doubled Dies. I am just grateful for the people who have spent thousands of hours researching error coins and trying to teach the rest of us.

Keep searching. There's good stuff out there waiting to be found.
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Keep looking Gregory!and keep posting, they have a lot of good information on here and good people also!!
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Thank you Gentleman!
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