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1875 S Trade Dollar - Is This A Chop Mark?

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All the research and images I can find of other coins show chop marks that are little more well defined, but not all of them. I am just looking for opinions out there are on whether these are chop marks or not. Thanks for your help!
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Appears to be more than a common hit, so I would side with it being a chop mark.
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To me it looks like a "hand-made" chop mark if that's the right term.
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Chop marks were most often done with Chinese characters, but that does not stop this mark being a test mark anyway.

It's just that I am unfamiliar with this one, so that leaves some doubt in my mind.

I hope this thread keeps on going, so I can find out a bit more on this subject.
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It is very similar to the Chinese character "er", which is two parallel lines, although the top one is shorter, not the case here.

I'm leaning toward simply two test scrapes.
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Not a Chop Mark.
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Everest - Thanks, I think we all agree on that. The question is, are these marks simply test scrapes, or could they somehow represent a hand-made indication of genuineness?
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I think it is just part of the abuse that this coin has acquired over its lifetime. If it is a
test scrape it was very poorly done and in the most conspicuous place on the coin.
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When a coin is "chopped" it usually shows a corresponding bulge on the other side. What does the other side look like?
The marks do appear to be shallow rather than punched into the coin. I'd vote for PMD.
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Yes PMD, question is whether it was deliberate, and if so, why?
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Thanks everyone, I will try and get a picture up tomorrow of the other side. I thought the same thing about the other side and nothing jumped out at me. The one thing that made me question whether it was PMD was the fact that there is somewhat of a circular outline to the mark making me think it was a stamp of some kind.
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I don't remember any chop mark with parallel lines in the mark. It looks like damage to me.
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Does not look like any type of chop mark that I have ever seen.
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I don't think this is a chop mark at all. Notice that around the scrapes there is a circle of extra material that appears to be raised. It is also in the very center of the coin. I think something was soldered on and scrape marks are from when it was removed. So, ex-jewelry piece. Looks like it circulated after removal.
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