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1953-P LWC - My First "Struck Through" CRH Error Find?

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Found this 1953 LWC today and was wondering if it is a struck through. Has all the makings of one - "gouges" on the reverse show no bumps on the obverse and actually show some lightness of strike in that area. Any Ideas or comments welcome......




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This is the picture of the obverse with the "struck throughs?" from the reverse marked in red...
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Thinking it might be a lamination. Looks like extra metal between the "gouges.
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Looks like extra metal between the "gouges.


i don't know what that piece is sticking out into the first "gouge" - it isn't there in any of the other pictures nor in my hand under a 20X loupe. I'd say camera anomaly.
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I just took another close-up pic that shows what the area actually looks like.......

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Microfilm cache.

Really,it does appear as a strike through, and an odd one at that.
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It is a planchet flaw, that was there pre strike. Not enough metal to force into the IGWT when stamped.

Lamination or damaged planchet is now the question. I see no evidence of a lam, no stirated flow any where...think planchet/blank (most likely) was affected, even before blanking happened, a stock plate fault.

More I think about it, the stock was rolled over something, wheter wood or metal, pin, screw or splinter. clean it and see if there are threads or wood fiber lines.
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The marks do look rather deep for a lamination. Have to wait for an experts opinion.
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It is a planchet flaw, that was there pre strike. Not enough metal to force into the IGWT when stamped.


That makes sense - Thanks Butch, but now I'm bummin" about not having found a struck through - LOL! . So just a planchet flaw to be written on the 2X2?
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Planchet flaw seems the logical conclusion.
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OK - not to be a DH - but if it was a plancket flaw wouldn't you have rounded edges on that strike area? Instead of being sharp even in the corners?
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Looks like a post strike lamination peel. If this were PSD, then the areas would be more squared on the corners. I can see the different layers of peeling, the way it touches the rim, without distortion. The dies are in the VLDS at this point, showing extreme die wear close to the rim on the motto. This is probably the strongest deepest lamination I've seen. Normally you would see a ghost image of the wheat stalks. But because the lamination was so deep, even where the ghost lines should have been, even that is gone. Unique find.
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Looks like a post strike lamination peel. If this were PSD, then the areas would be more squared on the corners. I can see the different layers of peeling, the way it touches the rim, without distortion. The dies are in the VLDS at this point, showing extreme die wear close to the rim on the motto. This is probably the strongest deepest lamination I've seen. Normally you would see a ghost image of the wheat stalks. But because the lamination was so deep, even where the ghost lines should have been, even that is gone. Unique find.


Interesting - thanks coop!
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