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Mentioned in a reply a bit back that I believed there was at least one doubled working hub (or possibly a doubled master die due to how common it is, I'm going to refer to it as a doubled working hub for now) for 2017-P cents, so I'm going to show why I think this. I'll give 5 examples of each of the two hubs. Doubled Working Hub #1 Extra thickness on LIBERTY. The left side of the Y is thicker than the other. Minor notching on the lower left of the TY. Minor notching on the top left of the T. The majority of 2017-P cents are this doubled working hub. My estimate is around 75%. WDDO-004, 006, 007, 008, 010, 013, 014, and 015 are this doubled hub. Die #1:   Die #2:   Die #3:   Die #4:   Die #5:   Doubled Working Hub #2 Doubling is nearly identical to the first working hub but the letters are noticeably thinner than the first. The horizontal bar of the T and the right side of the Y are extremely thin. Not as common as the first working hub, my estimate is 10%-20% of 2017-P cents are this doubled hub. WDDO-011, 012, and 016 are this doubled hub. Die #1:   Die #2:   Die #3:   Die #4:   Die #5:   True doubled dies: WDDO-001, 002, 005, 009, and 017 do not match these doubled working hubs and have slightly more extra thickness on the letters. WDDO-001:  WDDO-002:  What do you guys think? Edited by Tanman2001
01/12/2018 9:03 pm
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I was also thinking the same thing, do to the large amount of LSC I see with this same doubling. I don't even keep these, do to how common is it. I only keep the strong ones. Have you told John Wexler about this? It is etheir a Doubled Working Hub or a Doubled Master Die. Errers and Varietys.
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01/12/2018 9:27 pm
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Have you told John Wexler about this? I will try to send Wexler an email about this tonight. |
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I will try to send Wexler an email about this tonight. Awesome! Please update this post and quote or screenshot the email reply of what John Wexler thinks. It is getting time to update his site again anyway, so it would be good.  Errers and Varietys.
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All I can say is awesome pics!
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Tonight is the first time that I have looked at 2017 cents. I am in agreement that there are doubled master hubs. Way too many cents with the same features.
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From Wexler: Quote:
Hi Tanner,
I've been thinking along those lines myself but have been way too busy to study them as you have. I agree with your findings. Please send me a list of the ones you believe are from Working Hub #1 and a list of those that you believe are from Working Hub #2. You will get credit on that web page for making the analysis.
Thank you for sharing your analysis with me. It is greatly appreciated. |
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Awesome Tanman! Thank you very much for cracking down on these. Now I know that they're not true Doubled Dies. That's what I call a  Errers and Varietys.
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Tannman, I have also noticed many what seems a VLDS that show for lack of better description a separation of the details, like a pulling apart which becomes blatant under too much magnification. I've always considered it nothing more than late stage attrition, which may in itself be wrong. I've wondered why so many folks were noticing all these. Good work up.
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Thanks Tanman. I wondered why I was finding so many DDO's on the 2017P's. After about 10 of them, I realized they were way too common to hang on too. |
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It's official! Wexler updated the site with the doubled working hubs. A lot of empty spaces in the files now, Let's fill them up with actual doubled dies! http://doubleddie.com/2318537.html |
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I would think your estimate of 75% is a too high. If it was a master die issue, then it might be 50% as only two are made.  The working hubs would not make that number that high. IMOHO But nice find. It would be nice to see the information put onto an image and show the affected areas. So many images on this thread cloud the issue. One image for the WWHO-001 and WWHO-002. That would be helpful. I can see the differences between the two on the 'Y's in LIBERTY. But other points are lost in the words. |
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Posted 01/12/2018 9:23 pm
