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Grading Thoughts About A 1789 Colonial Coin

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A 1789 Brazil 6400 reis coin. Thereīs some discolouration surrounding the word REGINA. Does it detract the coin value?

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 Posted 02/14/2018  09:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add realeswatcher to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That color/tone there shows a bit in the photos, but not too strongly. Perhaps just an area with a bit more copper present?

Looks like a nice piece - just a touch of wear on the high spots.

Nothing too blatant, but since there is just a SLIGHT curve in visible along the rim - is there any sign of mounting at 12 o'clock?
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Thanks realeswatcher.

Itīs an auction coin thatīs being sold, so I really donīt know if thereīs a sign of mounting, but based on your experience I think your suspicion must be highly taken in consideration and, of course, nobody can grade it without checking coin in hands.
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You do ALWAYS have to look on these Brazilian pieces, it seems... really on ALL older gold, as jewelry use was popular, it should be automatically checked.

That said, it's not a STRONG suspicion... I don't see any extra metal/discoloration there, just that SLIGHT alteration of a round perimeter - right at the magic 12:00 o'clock mark. Maybe that could be acceptable for the series? I don't know the Brazilian well enough to know off-hand (planchet style, edging technique, etc.)

AT MOST, there was a small neat loop there that was extremely neatly removed... or it may actually be perfectly untouched. I can't be certain.

As you said, always hard to tell from pics... but the surfaces don't look bad at all in terms of potential/cleaning, "sweating", or similar.
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Another thing I know you have noticed, is that most of these gold coins shows some bumps and deformities which could not be so visible if you donīt make a careful inspection.
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It will not be of use to the creator of the thread. But for whomever reads it now. These peįas and dobras were struck on disks punched out of gold sheers that had been made by pressing gold bars between rollers.

The surface of the discs could be uneven. The punched discs might not be perfectly round. Then the discs had the edge engraved by sliding them between two moving bars with the tulip pattern. Finally they were struck. In all this they could be further deformed.

In the end many came out of the mint not perfectly circular. Diameter could vary by one or two millimeters. it was the weight that was controlled and that depended also on the thickness of the gold sheet used.

Good warning about the unevenness at 12 hours. Only by inspecting the edge could one be sure. But I thing it was just a normal irregularity of the disk.



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Thank you for this information, jecz79.
Inordinately fascinated by bits of metal with strange markings and figures
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Nice AU-55.
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