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Environmental Damaged Coin (?)

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 Posted 05/28/2008  6:09 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add bettycake to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Me again, sent my 1970 S penny in to NGCS to be graded, since it is a double die, and it came back saying that is has environmental damage, does anyone know what that means? Another coin came back also saying it was genuine but had "artifical color", it is a 1910 penny, what the heck! They are speaking greek to me..Help!!
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 Posted 05/28/2008  6:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Amazon99 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Environmental damage: http://www.coincommunity.com/dictio.../coins_e.asp

And I'll just post this one for the artificial toning:


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artificial toning

Coloring added to the surface of a coin by chemicals and/or heat. Many different methods have been employed over the years.
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 Posted 05/29/2008  02:26 am  Show Profile   Check BH1964's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BH1964 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
NCS will slab coins with "problems". NGC is their sister company for slabbing non-problem coins. I've never heard of NGCS but it's likely one or the other.

Environmental damage can be almost anything from corrosion to pitting to getting run over by a train.

Artificial color means any non-natural coloring or toning in the coin.

Best of Luck next time.
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 Posted 05/29/2008  10:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add eaglefoot to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
"environmental damage" affects MY money too !........It's called a RECESSION !!.....
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 Posted 05/29/2008  11:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
environmental damage?
Don't you just love it when someone or an organization makes a statement that you have no idea of what they are saying. Naturally everone just loves to spend hours looking up words and phrases and still not know what's going on. Sort of like calling AOL's help desk in India.
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 Posted 06/02/2008  12:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add morgantype to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That was good eaglefoot!
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Betty, Environmental damage is just that. Damage to the surface of the coin from it's surroundings, whether it is storage conditions, the chemicals or water vapor in the air, fatty acids on your skin, handling, etc.

I am sorry to say that if you google NGCS, it is NOT affiliated with NGC or NCS, It is considered a low tier Grading company.IMO, I would even doubt the double die aspect if they did it.

Artificial coloring of coins is done on many modern coins in the hopes that buyers will not notice certain defects such as the "Off-color" you see from chemicals being used to remove green/bluish non-pvc copper compound "gunk" from cents. You can also artificially tone silver coins. This type of treatment is often detected by looking for microscopic dots of brighter silver within the toned areas where small dust or particles that blocked the chemical from the metal. Graders have seen large enough numbers of specific coins to recognize a toning effect such as crayon like colors that don't occur naturally. I don't mean rainbow like colors.

I have had "artificial coloring" on a couple of Morgans, that once I put it under the microscope, I agreed with them. When I checked my records I had bought them both from the same person. Hmm.

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