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 Posted 02/17/2018  1:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add moxking to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
As you learn - scratch out the itch to buy raw, unless you are just buying coins for a few dollars each for fun.

If you want to build a meaningful collection (one that has a chance of breaking even for value in the future) buying raw first is mostly just tossing money to the wind.

You don't know what a MS-60 looks like, or any other coin at this juncture.

After you spend many months or years (or decades) learning the intricacies of grading and eye appeal valuation, then you might try buying a few raw coins AT A SHOW or at a LOCAL COIN SHOP so you can have them in your hands before you buy.

Even us folks who have somewhat of a handle on grading get completely skunked on our opinions from photos only. A newer collector buying from photos only is a sure way to lose money that you could have saved for a coin you will love.

LOVE your coins, don't like them, don't tolerate them. If you ONLY buy coins that you say WOW to when you see them, you'll be fine.

Last (no really) almost all of us have gotten to the point over the years when coins we bought earlier have to be "upgraded" (nicer examples replace the ones we had first). You will lose money on needing to upgrade 99.99 percent of the time. If you need to upgrade it, it's likely only a beginners coin choice, and you don't want possible coin sales limited only to new buyers.
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 Posted 02/17/2018  1:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SilverDollar2017 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If you are just starting out collecting, purchase only coins graded by PCGS or NGC. Don't even think about buying raw coins.
After a few years of experience, you can buy a few raw coins here and there. (I buy raw coins all the time to fill my Dansco coin albums)

But unless you are an experienced collector, do not purchase raw coins. PCGS and NGC are there for a reason.

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 Posted 02/17/2018  1:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chesterb to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
one of the things not mentioned is how you plan to organize your collection. It may not be a big deal now but after you start accumulating your coins you'll have raw coins, third party graded ( TPG), etc. and will need to figure out how you'll store and display them. I prefer TPG just because it's easier for me but I also have a coin album for my raw coins as well.

Another thing not mentioned is CAC. You may notice some PCGS and NGC coins have a little green sticker on them meaning they've been approved by CAC. They sticker only the top coins for the grade. As a new collector you would be wise to try to locate and purchase only CAC approved coins. There's a premium that goes with them but they are easier to sell later on down the road and the premium will more than offset many of the newbie mistakes we've all made throughout the years. Morgans are one series where there are tons of average and overgraded coins. Bright white coins have likely been dipped or cleaned. Just because a coin is slabbed doesn't mean it's perfect. For these reasons, I would recommend you focus on CAC stickered coins. You will also learn what to look for by focusing and studying these coins.
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One last thing, please don't try to "outsmart" dealers and purchase coins because you think it's a good deal. The coin is probably cheap for a reason and it's not selling. Don't get stuck owning it. If a dealer can sell it for a higher price then they would.
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Personally, I don't think Morgan dollars should be what you start with in collecting. If you can't bring yourself to pick out a collection of pennies or nickels, at least strongly consider starting with a type set of 20th century coins. That'll get you reasonably familiar with a decent variety of everything and what you might see throughout the hobby.

If not... well, definitely start with the cheaper and lower grade Morgans. Get an idea of the local places you can buy them for and so on before investing too heavily into them.
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Personally, I don't think Morgan dollars should be what you start with in collecting.


Your possibly starting out with a coin that is expensive. Also, if you start out with more common types of coins, you may find a lot more available. For example you could still find Jefferson nickels and Lincoln Cents in change. You might find Mercury dimes and other Dimes also more available. And too if you do not have a lot of money to use for this hobby, Morgan dollars are just not the thing.
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Not really worried about the money to purchase the coins. It's about purchasing them at a reasonable price.

For example, on ebay, if I see an MS65 1880 S listed for $130 - I want to buy it, but the recent auctions show the prices down at $100. I know I'm paying a 30% premium because of the seller fees, which I don't want to.do hahaha

But of course when I go to sell it, then I'll put it at $130 because then that's FMV? Is my logic correct?

Also, I have already purchased an 1878 7/8 strong, 1878cc, an 1883cc
as raw purchases at the MS61-62 ranges. So I'll stop doing that right away.

But don't think, I did it Willy nilly. I had already purchased 5 coins at the MS64/65 ranges, and the raw coin sellers all allowed returns.

So when the raws came in, I'd have a reference point in real life and I had watched a number of PCGS/NGC YouTube videos to understand the points they use to grade them (cartwheel borders, hard stamp above the ear, clear fields, level of cheek wear, feathers on the eagles chest . etc).
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I would rather have an AU58 than a MS60-62. Quiet often they have much more eye appeal. You can find many discussions on here that may help you refine your method and process to purchase.

You should take some time and search the forums discussions, as you will find a wealth of information.
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If you talk to 100 advancing collectors - those that continue to learn as they collect - most will switch over to NGC and PCGS purchases as they continue.


Yes, I would be one of these collectors.
I have filled many albums over the years but my latest purchases and new collections I have started are both PCGS slabs.
Enjoy the journey and keep us posted on your progress.
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It's about purchasing them at a reasonable price.

For example, on ebay, if I see an MS65 1880 S listed for $130 - I want to buy it, but the recent auctions show the prices down at $100. I know I'm paying a 30% premium because of the seller fees, which I don't want to.do hahaha

But of course when I go to sell it, then I'll put it at $130 because then that's FMV? Is my logic correct?


This is a slippery slope. First off the 1880-S is what most would consider a common date. You go to any large show and you can probably go home with a couple hundred or so (maybe more) examples in this grade. PCGS certified tens of thousands of this date in MS-65. Unless you intend to resell it back on ebay it will be hard to sell it for close to $100. You really need to understand what a premium coin looks like in order to get value on these common date Morgans.

Personally, I would take Moxking's advice and focus on coins you love or look for CAC coins. Most will tell you that you're not likely to make money in this game. It's a hobby and if after a few years you break even then great but I wouldn't plan on that with common date Morgans.

That's my 2¢ worth.
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If you like Morgans, go right ahead and collect them, raw or slabbed. Just learn to tell the fakes from the real ones, but most Morgans are not slabbed, there are some very genuine raw coins out there.

Common date coins can be had at anytime now or in the near future for the same prices you would pay today. Pick a semi-key or a scarcer mintage and buy one of those at a good price now. Do endeavor to pick up all the Carson City Morgans now, or as soon as you can.

As for those extremely scarce and valuable Morgans from the 1890s? Ignore them, unless you have much money to spend. Nearly all collections have nothing but empty spaces where those coins should be, and no one cares.

If you don't like the coin, the price doesn't matter. You'll make money down the road even if you pay above the going rate for a very nice semi-key coin, they will appreciate handsomely, while the common stuff offers smaller returns on your investment. You can always buy the common stuff.
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