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How Do You Determine If A Coin Is Worth Grading?

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 Posted 02/17/2018  11:20 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Coinvirgin to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi Coinvirgin hereand I wanted to ask how does someone determine if a coin is worth grading?
It's a silly question to ask but I really don't any idea? Hence my name Coinvirgin truly reflects my lack of experience/ knowledge in the world of coins.
Is it expensive to have a coin graded?
How do I know if the service is reputable?
What are the does & don'ts?
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Benefit of your advice would be greatly appreciated.
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 Posted 02/17/2018  11:38 pm  Show Profile   Check spru's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add spru to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I could give some general pointers, but I have never had a coin graded. I think the advice should come from those who have.

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 Posted 02/18/2018  02:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Two approaches to grading:-

1). It could be what the owner thinks that the potential value when slabbed, justifies the grading and shipping fees.
Suggest rule of thumb $100?

Need the opinions of others on some other advantages or disadvantages of TPGrading.

2). Like spruett001, I have never had a coin slabbed. Every coin in my collection has been inspected in hand first, before making a decision to buy. I like to grade for myself; that includes coins already graded by others.

PCGS Photograde is a good grading educator for American coins, but of no use at all with non machine struck coins. Perhaps look there first, before sending your raw coins to be slabbed.



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 Posted 02/18/2018  03:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coin197 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Post the coin here, and if you see a bunch of comments telling you to send it in, then the forum is usually a reliable source.
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All coins are worth grading ... and as stated above the minimum expectation as a collector is that you eventually learn how to do so for yourself.

Having a third party grader ( TPG) offer an opinion is a another matter altogether.

TPG grading fees for an individual coin will cost on the order of $45 - $50 .... the 'average' cost goes down if you submit multiple coins at the same time.

This leads to a conclusion that your coins for TPG consideration should have a market value somewhere above the cost of the grading fees ... you need to decide for yourself where that limit is.
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 Posted 02/18/2018  07:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SF11Dude to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@Coinvirgin, looks like you got a lot of sound advice already but for what it's worth I will tell you a short story...

I collected coins for 15+ years but never really "got into" error hunting until 2015 when I read and joined this site and another coin site (they s$ck..this is the best site by far).

After reading and learning somewhat I posted pictures of two 1936-D Buffalo nickels I honestly believed were legit along with matching photos of an actual 3 1/2 legged Buffalo for comparison.

The comments I got back were "suspect", "altered", "possible fake", etc. But there was 1 guy who was supportive and advised me to get it graded so I did. He told me to send it to ANACS to keep costs down and if it turned out not to be real I wouldn't lose as much as some other TPG's.

I believe for everything end to end (postage/return postage, insurance, etc) it was $77. The form is laborious and confusing for all Professional TPG's (IMO) so be careful and read the ULTRA fine print about what each checkbox means, mostly more money going to them.

Turns out it was authentic and I ended up selling it to the guy on here who recommended I have it graded at a very good price for him and me.

There are several morals to this story:

1) The people on here are here to help you learn, grow and understand error hunting; they still are helping me a lot very often and I am thankful for the time, expertise and patience they give freely of their time.
2) There are some very knowledgeable people on here who will help you grow; there are some who are learning as you are and everyone makes mistakes.
3) I believe most everyone on here really wants to see people learn the hobby and be "successful"; if you measure success in monetary terms; stop now, sell your coins and take up tennis.
4) Everyone is human and there will be frustration and miscommunication at times; don't take it personal unless someone makes it personal then report it.

Here are my heuristics for grading:
1) You are advised by someone you accept as an "expert" in their own right as demonstrated by posts on here; you can quickly see who everyone defers to or accepts their opinions as the gospel because they will stop disagreeing, okay most will stop
2) You have done your research on the many other sites such as Cuds on Coins, Variety Vista, etc. (NOT ebay!) And know the differences in errors and varieties and which TPG's will authenticate errors/varieties and which will not.
3) To save money you can send your coins off to JC Stevens on Cuds-on-Coins or Dr Wiles on Variety Vista (I have done both and they are great!) Details on how to do so are on their site.
4) If you TRULY believe in your heart you have something WORTH the cost and effort of professional grading, go for it!

Best of luck!
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Buy some grading books and learn to grade yourself. I have never sent a coin in to be graded. I have seen too many over graded and under graded coins. It is only their opinion. For the amount of coins they grade, I cannot believe that they have numismatists with 30 or more years experience looking at every coin. Where do they get the graders from, how long do they look at each coin?

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 Posted 02/18/2018  08:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 88isgreat to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@coinvirgin
Like others, I have not yet sent a coin to be graded.

One common theme that is regularly stated here though is to have a coin graded if it is a coin that is regularly faked. Typically these are key dates in a series (such as the 1916D Mercury dime). It is a good idea to develop the skills to properly grade for yourself and to learn how to perform the research to authenticate a coin if it is questionable. The TPG comes into play should you decide to sell a high value coin. Their opinion is widely (but not always!) accepted as to the grade and authenticity of a coin.

All that being said, it's up to you to decide if and when you feel the need or desire to have a coin graded by a TPG. Investigate the costs associated with the service, and decide if you feel the cost is justified.
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 Posted 02/18/2018  12:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinvirgin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Gotcha' , I'm glad I asked.
( "heuristics" okay I confess to having looked up the definition!
The Coinvirgin I may be, & eager to learn.
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 Posted 02/19/2018  2:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You've come to the right place. We are very patient here to help new ones. I like to reason with images as they may show something that I may have missing in my presentation. When this happens, others can chime in.
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to the CCF!

Don't send a coin in for grading unless it's worth over $300. Even then, don't just send in any coin. Send in a coin that may have more value if graded, such as a higher-grade Trade dollar. Also, send in a key date that has enough value to be graded. For example, I would send in a 1909-S VDB Lincoln Cent for grading if I had one, as it is of a high value.

Stick to only PCGS, NGC, or ANACS. PCGS and NGC are generally more accurate and will fetch a higher price if the coin is for sale, than ANACS.
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Also, the opposite case. If a coin is slabbed, check the site who slabbed the coin to make sure the numbers match the item slabbed. (yes the counterfeiters are using fake slabs as well) The rule for me: "But the coin, not the plastic." If the images provided don't convince you or the deal seems to be too good, pass. There is always a better example out there. Don't settle. If you are reading on ebay and they use a lot of words to convince you, run. If it is not obvious, or the images don't look right, same thing. Run.
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I own hundreds of graded coins but have only paid for one to be graded myself. I generally find the coins I want in the grades desired are readily available for far less than the price of locating a worthy raw coin and submitting it.
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I never pay anymore for a graded coin than what I see it is. (Sometimes the grading companies are wrong with their grades. Looking at the PCGS site, I've seen normal listed coin that were doubled dies and just the opposite sometimes. So either they missed the grading, or they didn't include the right information for that coin on their site.
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Let me add a couple more thoughts.

(1) CAC stickers and the like are also not a substitute for making an independent decision on a coin. Ignore the stickers. Eyeball the coin.

(2) Grading services look at the technical grade for the coin. There are a lot of U-G-L-Y coins that can earn technical grades, but lack the quality of strike or the eye appeal collectors desire. Many times, I've snagged eye-appealing EF / AU coins that are far more collectible than run-of-the-mill technical UNCs.
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