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What do you think this might grade?   |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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looks like a clean cheek, but the luster looks weird. around the M in UNUM you see a break in luster that is boxed off. based on surface color it looks like it may have been dipped. may be a market acceptable cleaning. ms65 but low end due to surface issues.  to the CCF IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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By surface issues, are you referring to the reverse? The toning taking place? Or another spot entirely?
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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referring to what I described in the second sentence
IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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United States
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Alright, thank you for clarifying. And I appreciate your honesty and fair appraisal.
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United States
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United States
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So legitimately, saying if it has been cleaned, what does that do the value? If it were an approved method like previously mentioned versus some amateur cleaning.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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If the lustre is flashy I'd give it 64
(Why the duplicate thread?)
Edited by westernsky
02/20/2018 12:18 am
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United States
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This one is for grading, the other was seeking information about counterfeit details.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I would give this a MS 64. I like my 1881 CC Morgans with flashy luster. I believe your coin may have taken a dipping long ago.
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Bedrock of the Community
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Those pics aren't good enough to accurately grade off. That said I agree and my suspicion is this is a details coin Quote:
If it were an approved method like previously mentioned versus some amateur cleaning. If it was something acceptable you wouldn't know that it was done in the first place. |
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Canada
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It is defiantly a mint state coin. So whatever it is 60 to 64 the difference $500 to $600. I wouldn't give it a ms-65 which would bring it to the $1000 value. If the grading came back as cleaned it would definitely reduce buyers market, but you would still find a buyer. Although you will get bargained down because of the issue. Expect $100 to $200 loss if it comes back as cleaned.
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I agree with the general consensus grade of MS64. A MS Morgan being dipped will not hurt the value provided the luster is acceptable. On your first set of photos on the.other thread, there is a difference in color around the stars than the field. The difference in color would give me consern that it may have been caused by cleaning. I am not seeing any cleaning hairlines in your photos, but you need to check for cleaning hairlines under light and magnification.
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Honestly I am in the ballpark with the others via a m64 grade maybe a 65. I cannot tell the surface originality based on the current pictures. Better pics would greatly help determine this.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Appears lifeless in these pics. I'll pass on trying to grade it. to the CCF! |
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Posted 02/19/2018 9:44 pm
