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1956 Lincoln Odd Clipped Device

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 Posted 02/23/2018  4:58 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add dollardude to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I am going through a jar of "Wheaties" ....just looking for anything that jumps out at me, and I came across these 1956 cents with what appears to be matching clipped devices (the 6) I am not familiar with cent varieties so I thought I should ask... is this Common? Coincidental PMD? Something else? please let me know your thoughts...

(please excuse my inverting one of the coins to fit the field of view...)


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 Posted 02/23/2018  5:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dollardude to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I may be able to answer my own question here... Looks very common as I just found another... for this error to occur it must not be PMD therefore it would have to be a HUB error otherwise there would need to be a very persistent piece of bubble gum stuck in the die!
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 Posted 02/23/2018  6:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Crazyb0 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It is PMD, NOT HUBBING! Yes I'm yelling, to get attention. Possibly a machine making a like area hit, but it is a contact hit from an object or moving machine part (gumball?)
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 Posted 02/23/2018  6:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cujohn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
No it's not PMD. It's known as a broken 6. A lot of 56s are that way.
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 Posted 02/23/2018  6:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not Post Mint Damage! It was caused by a broken 6 from the working hub. Here's a thread of the same error. http://goccf.com/t/282577

Also, here's what Coop said about the issue. He gets in depth about it as well. Coop:
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"It was an issue from the broken '6' on a working hub that created several dies that look like. This is not not PSD. This is from a hub that was breaking down. Some varieties are on some of theses dies created as well a many more that were normal dies without a variety of them.
The hub that creates the die, looks just like the coins created. Hubs have the positive design (Whether master or working hubs). Dies have the negative designs. (Whether Master dies or working dies)"
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 Posted 02/23/2018  7:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coppergold to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Is there any sign of a cracked skull? Check the head to see if there's any die break/crack
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 Posted 02/23/2018  7:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It is from a broken hub. That device can be found broken on several different dies. Both Philly and Denver.
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This one is a RPM. So it happened on several dies. Some you can see more affected than others, so the hub was breaking away a bit at a time and this shows on the dies created.

This has happened to other dies in the past on the 1936 dies on the 'R' on LIBERTY.
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And on 1983-D LIBERTY, but this time on the 'Y':
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So why is a hub chipping off different from a die chipping off? On a hub chipping off, that area on the die is not formed correctly. Instead of making the die larger like a die chip that shows on the coins struck, it makes the device smaller and shows a void on the coins. Also the hub chip will show on more different dies in the same location.
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 Posted 02/23/2018  7:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coppergold to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
http://goccf.com/t/300779
I've got the same one. Except my coin has two very visible die breaks obverse and reverse
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 Posted 02/23/2018  9:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dollardude to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
One of these has a horizontal break across the entire coin crossing at forehead height... the other has a vertical break along the right wheat leaves
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 Posted 02/23/2018  9:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The point is that several different dies were created with this hub. A die crack/chip/break or Cud just tells the dies age. So there were several dies created with the issue. Because of the high number coins from that hub, it also makes this not a premium for this error.
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 Posted 02/23/2018  9:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dollardude to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I figured it would have no premium when I found 3 out of about 10 1956 coins.. thanks for all the info.. and confirmation of it being a hub caused error
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