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1901 Morgan For Grade As Well Has The Mint Mark Been Removed?

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 Posted 02/27/2018  02:34 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add jlynes to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
This is a coin on ebay right now and to me it looks like the mint mark has been altered/removed..thoughts? If it is the real deal then what a nice specimen.
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 Posted 02/27/2018  03:19 am  Show Profile   Check Zurie's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Zurie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just found the ebay listing of this coin that had a couple better photos showing the mirror surfaces of this proof coin. Tough to judge the surfaces with the harsh lighting of these photos. The 1901 proof Morgan had no mintmark, so not altered.
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 Posted 02/27/2018  07:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Need to examine very closely in hand, with a 10x loupe.
The question:
Does the luster in the area in question match the luster in the surrounding field?

That is what a TPGrader would do.
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 Posted 02/27/2018  08:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add moxking to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The area is white in this photo. No certainty possible.
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 Posted 02/27/2018  08:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SilverDollar2017 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Can't tell from the pics.
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 Posted 02/27/2018  10:29 am  Show Profile   Check 52Raymo's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 52Raymo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The area under Pluribus doesn't look good.
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The area above the cap and the areas between the lettering near the reverse edge seem to have die polishing marks. Hopefully they aren't scratches.

Looks very nice.

Pr64. I hesitate to call this gem proof due to the die polishing and poor pictures despite the nice cheek.
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To me, the pics are too soft to judge the surfaces accurately.
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This coin should be TPG graded if it's truly what it's being offered as. I wouldn't even consider it an authentic problem free coin unless.
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Something seems fishy it looks overexposed or done that way to cover up a harsh cleaning. Stay away.
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with Imthealphaomega. Something looks odd about this coin. Maybe dipped or cleaned.
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no mint mark means it was minted in Philadelphia. Philadelphia mint didn't mint mark there Morgans.
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I was thinking that someone removed a S or O mark to make it look like a Philadelphia mint coin. It only sold for $1750 so hopefully it was authentic and problem free if so they got a great deal.
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Someone is not going to be a happy camper when they get the coin cause I wouldn't touch that coin with a 50 foot pole. It screams cleaned/polished/whizzed.
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This coin screams of New Orleans origins.

Close examination shows a faint "O" where the mint mark would have been. There are also many, many hairlines (from being wiped) on the obverse at the top that could not be hidden with the camera work. The counterfeiter removed the "O" and tried to hide his work with a a light polishing. This was probably a nice BU coin at one time.

The strike appears to be of New Orleans "quality" from that period of time and is very soft in the devices. Philly coins from that period are usually very sharp and defined. Anyway, the lettering and stars should be razor sharp on a proof.

Not a proof and never has been.

If the Seller thought for one minute that this was a high grade proof he would have sent it in for TPG. Chances are he bought it as a proof and he is trying to unload his mistake.

The Buyer got burned...big time!
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Scary deal here
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