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Valued Member
United States
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What do you guys think...grade?...problems?..originality? Thanks!   |
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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VF-30 cleaned and slightly retoned.
Edited by Optimist-numismatist
02/28/2018 11:57 pm
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Pillar of the Community
7234 Posts |
XF details cleaned - retoning - market exceptable? If it is then I'd go XF 45 straight grade!
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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EF details. Cleaned. Go for a different specimen.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
8715 Posts |
XF-45, market acceptable cleaning. It didn't have enough opportunity to retone before being put into the slab.
I'd personally go for another coin, as I think that this one looks like it has been cleaned in the past.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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XF details. Overdipped and retoning. This is the type of coin to avoid. The 75cc 20c is not that rare and beautiful examples aren't hard to find. Having said that I would buy it if the price was right.
IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Valued Member
 United States
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So a 143 year old coin can show original mint luster it's just that when it has an uneven textured silver look(simply put not natural looking) that's when it's dipped or cleaned right? Also, I know dipping is acceptable and this may be a dumb question, but any 19 century silver coin that has no toning at all has been dipped? Thank you for all who answer as I am still learning.  |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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I would look at the surface quality of the coin paired with the unnatural white color. I wouldn't pay a full freight for it but others may like it.
IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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So a 143 year old coin can show original mint luster it's just that when it has an uneven textured silver look(simply put not natural looking) that's when it's dipped or cleaned right? Take a look at these two Morgan dollars. Which one do you think has been cleaned?   |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Quote:
So a 143 year old coin can show original mint luster it's just that when it has an uneven textured silver look(simply put not natural looking) that's when it's dipped or cleaned right? Also, I know dipping is acceptable and this may be a dumb question, but any 19 century silver coin that has no toning at all has been dipped? Thank you for all who answer as I am still learning. What you are looking for in detecting cleaned coins is a glossy (though not necessarily shiny), washed-out look (one dealer described it as slick). Of the two Morgans posted above, which has the look I describe. |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Original coin looks EF details (cleaned) to me, but my main objection would be the fingerprint.
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Bedrock of the Community
Canada
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Valued Member
United States
288 Posts |
The first Morgan is definitely the off color.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I think AU-50 detail, with the reverse showing more original luster and an above-average strike. The obverse has suffered more from over-dipping, with the new rim tone partially repairing the eye appeal. I could see a straight XF-45 grade which would take into account the market-acceptable dipping.
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Valued Member
United States
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And you are absolutely correct on that.....  |
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