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1878 Morgan Dollar W/ Major Mint Defect Or...?

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I am hopeful but also realistic. I'd really appreciate some expert advice with this coin. It looks like someone tried to make jewelry out of it. I would expect it to have a smooth indent if it were made with a tool? I am very new to coins so any information would be great. Thanks.

I have been studying VAMs but it's pretty daunting. If anyone sees anything special please let me know. Thanks again.

Image with the flash to show contrast compared to natural light of the others.

Ive taken several more pics from different directions, with and without flash, with different magnification but with the same phone camera. If you would like to see them and think they would help, please let me know.

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 Posted 02/28/2018  7:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add AKNuGuy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Still trying to navigate this site. I'll try harder to get my posts in the right spot. Still a nube.
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Pretty sure what's going on above Liberty's forehead is post-mint damage or PMD. It looks like digs or gouges into the surface of the coin. As for VAM attribution, dive in! It's alot of fun.
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Spinning a knife blade perhaps.
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Definitely PMD.
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@AKNuGuy, looks to me like PMD. Based on the location, I'm guessing that someone was starting to put a hole in it such as to put it on a lanyard or necklace, but then changed their mind.
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That's kinda what I figured but was still hopeful. I read that dies sometimes break and a piece gets embedded in the coin. Being able to see some of the original detail in the gouge made me think it might be possible.

IF it were mint damage, would that increase the value?

As it Is, is it worth any more than melt value?
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xf details cleaned

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It's not mint damage, so it does not increase the value.
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Hello AKNuGuy and welcome to CCF. There may be a silver lining to this cloud ... Go to VamWorld and compare your coin to the 1878 7TF Van 123. I see some things in your coin that get my Vamdar tingling, but the pictures aren't quite sharp enough to confirm. The Van 123 is far and away the rarest 7TF VAM and carries a substantial premium ... significantly higher than melt value!

Let us know the outcome and good luck!
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The correct term is VAM ... auto-correct strikes again.
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PMD and cleaned.



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