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This Is A New One For Me, Interesting Jefferson Reverse

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At first glance, I thought this was some standard PMD, but I had to do a double take when I saw the 'N' in MONTICELLO was intact. Can a bubble form on the surface of a die to cause this?

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Please someone educate me on this one.
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 Posted 03/06/2018  11:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
To CCF! It appears to be Struck Through oil or something like that. This is an geniune error. The other members will chime in and will explain it better to you.
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 Posted 03/06/2018  11:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BigSilver to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would think a lamination error, but a struck through would not surprise me.
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Looks like a Lamination error to me.
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with a lamination error.
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Looks like a struck through debris. Usually a lamination error will be straight in shape and comes close to the edge of the coin. The setup process tends to loosen them from the stock material. But this is irregular and it peeled off the planchet. So if this is a struck through debris, the weight will be normal. If it is a lamination it will be a bit lighter. But probably not enough to be measured. Oil or grease would not leave a distinct edge. It might have been soft like cardboard. preventing part of the strike in that area.
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It is a planchet flaw, the lamination being prestrike. A strike through as OP noted would have obliterated all detail. Note the mushy, wider N, shows a lack of metal necessary to form into the detail recesses. Good eye to pick that one out. Great example!!
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Unfortunately, the long answer is the right answer. Right Crazy?
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I think I learned something here. I think.



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Thanks for all the input! I was stuck on thinking the die was flawed, but a flawed planchet makes more sense.
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It is a strike through. If the material you are striking through is thin you will still see the details of the design after the foreign material falls away. If it had been a flawed planchet, say a lamination that fell away prestrike, the strikewouldhave completely or nearly completely wiped out the depression in the planchet. Especially in the field areas. A poststrike lamination typically shows rough surfaces where the lamination was. No this was a strike through, probably through a flake of metal.
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Seems to have been struck through something substantial enough to transfer the design below field level. Deep voids or empty space typically wont fill in at that depth especially at field level.

Curious about if it has a normal obverse and weight. Can see its 1964 or earlier, but exact year would be nice to know for future reference. Thanks, Doug.
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I agree with coop.
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Oh, my bad! I checked, and the weight came to 4.8g, so a bit light. It's a 1963, and here's a pick of the obverse:

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Interesting find!
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