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Legit Coin? 1806 Half Cent

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Would you say XF45 or AU 50 is a reasonable grade for it if it is legit?

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 Posted 06/07/2008  6:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spider5689 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
XF-45 seems reasonable to me.
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I see no reason to suspect that's not legit.
How would you describe the rim--does it have a sharp edge?
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Looks good to me. Is this coin a ground find? Dark.
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It looks legit and is the "small 6, stemless" variety. The surfaces appear smooth and without porosity, but it's hard to tell much from these dark photos. The details all look strong and an AU-50 grade seems reasonable. This variety is one of the common ones for this date, but if it's a no-problem AU, it's still worth upwards of $500. Any chance you can post pictures with better lighting?
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Nope, this one's on ebay. I'll definitely look into buying it.
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If you're going to pay good money, ask for some bigger, well-lit shots first.
The reason I asked about the rims is that I see a really sharp transition in a few places, which might mean the edges where hammered in...long ago. I'm not used to seeing such a sharp edge; they're usually thicker with more indication of denticles. For a bit of reference, compare photos on Heritage auctions.
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I will ask
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Well, he added some pictures...

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Here are the blown up pics some of you guys asked for:



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The obverse in the new photo looks pretty nice and the details are excellent; a solid AU-50 or better, IMO. The reverse photo is less flattering. I see a minor rim bruise at 5:00. Potentially more serious is the slight granularity visible over much of the reverse. This may indicate the coin had some light corrosion. The color doesn't look quite right and I wonder if the reverse has been cleaned to remove the corrosion, leaving the faint granularity. I could easily be wrong; maybe the surface is original and the planchet itself was slightly granular when struck. Maybe the contrast was hyped for the photo and that exaggerates the granular look. However, if the surface has any corrosion damage that would kill the appeal of this coin for me.

I am concerned that the coin will look even less appealing once you have it in hand and closely inspect it under good lighting. Make sure the seller has a solid return policy if you decide to go for it.
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Yeah, you are definitely right about the reverse. I also thought it might be AU 55 upon seeing a closer picture, looked better than the textbook AU. I saw that rim problem but it looked comparitively minor. What would you suggest as a max bid if I want to get it for <75% market val?
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Leave it to me to be skeptic..
Her mouth seems too open to me, and the"C" in cent and the "T" in cent are throwing me off. I believe that the bottom of the "T" should go right into the leaf and te "C" shouldnt be connected at all, unless it's a variety.
Compare the reverse to this:
Legit-Coin?-1806-Half-Cent

Look where the tip of the leaf is on the above photo in comparison with the "D" in united, and look at the leaf on your pic of the reverse. Also there is a "DOT" above the "N" in cent.
I am at the farthest point from being an expert on these coins, I just don't want to see you or a buddy get burnt if it's not real.
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Okay.. I'm a tad anal..

Here are my distinctions..

Coin in question:



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and the Coin from Coinfacts:



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Just my other 2 cents.

And just one other thing.. the "ST" in states.. is way far apart.

Okay last little thing from the keen eye'd spouse.
Look at the bow at the bottom of the olive branch.. there are 2 lines coming off the bow on the coinfacts coin.



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The one in question is not as nearly as worn, and has no signs of the lines being there..

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As a person not knowledgeable about this coins minting, the lack of those two lines high-lighted by madzdad71 would stop me from going any further.
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 Posted 06/08/2008  2:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KurtS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Madzdad71-
You'll see big differences between individual coins of this period, as major elements of each die were done by hand such as LIBERTY, date, Half Cent, wreath, fractions, etc. Some wreaths have stems and some don't--all perfectly legitimate and documented. As you're good with details, you'd probably enjoy checking that out.
That's why there are books that document die pairs for each year, and valued according to rarity of pair. I have one for Large Cents only, so I can't ID the die pair here.
I agree with Jaobler's sentiments, although some color issues might be the photo.
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