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A few have wanted to see in hand pics of this coin. I have posted this in a different thread with the dealers enhanced pics. Most people ive talked to really like the coin, a few say its artificial toning. These cell phone pics are I suppose how it generally looks in hand. I should mention the coin does flash super bright blue almost like an enhanced photo at the right angle. These images are what it looks like mostly. Be honest if the color bothers you. I'm trying to get the truth on a coin like this so all opinions welcome. I think its a gorgeous coin, but lets discuss.
Pics in next post. Edited by Jon Brand
03/07/2018 4:14 pm
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It looks legit and beautiful to me. It's a gorgeous coin and one I would consider purchasing if I was pursuing the series. My guess is the dealer's asking price is astronomical.
But if you have any doubts just take a pass. If resubmitted who knows what they would say a second time. Only you can decide if the asking price is worth it. It would be nice if you shared it but I understand why if you don't want to.
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Mike I own it, I really like it. I am just trying to get other opinions.
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The coin looks legit to me, and quite lovely at that. Most of the controversy surrounding blue toned copper seems to stem from the perceived effects of MS70 on copper. To some, any blue toned copper must have been created by this method, and thus is not natural.....and will fade over time. From what I understand, this is not true. Let me quote from Rick Snow, who has forgotten more than I will ever know........ Quote:
The answer to the question "Does MS70 turn copper blue" is therefore no.
When we ask "Under what conditions do copper coins turn blue with MS70" then we get to the truth. The only group of coins that turn blue are coins with some kind of coating on them prior to the treatment. This is a subset of all coins with coatings. Coating are dirt, debris, lacquer, shellac, etc.
Next question is "why do they turn blue". Here there is no straighforward answer because there are a multitude of coins with vastly different histories. I know that there were hoards of Proof Indian and Lincoln cents from 1878-1916 that are blue-toned. They came on the market in the late 1930's. These got blue toned by sitting in envelopes for over 50 years. Eliasberg had some in his collection.
The simple answer is that the toning was always there, but hidden by surface coatings.
In the OP's example only the dark coin turned color. It had finger oil on it from circulation, as most copper does. We are not used to seeing the copper stripped of its naturally accrued oils. Bright red coins don't have debris on them, so there is no toning being covered up on them. Only the dark coin turned color. Is that toning artificial or natural? I would say it is unusual. I know this doesn't give you a concrete answer, only opinions. You could always ask the dealer to send it to JA for his opinion, a sticker would certainly help confirm it's originality, although it could be denied simply from a grading perspective and nothing at all to do with the color. Sooo....bottom line really is how you feel about this piece. To me, it is certainly in the preferred plastic, and I find her quite beautiful.  Edited by hadleydog
03/07/2018 01:12 am
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That is a great looking coin. I love the colors. They are very much like many of the nicest Indian Head proof cents that sat in envelopes for 100 years. You can see photos of many of those on the PCGS Coinfacts site. I think there are photos of similarly toned 2 cent coins there also. I would be proud to own this coin.
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Mike I own it, I really like it. I am just trying to get other opinions. Then enjoy your beautiful piece for a very long time. Eliasburg loved pieces with that look, what more needs to be said! |
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It looks fantastic. Be proud of of this one. |
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The blue and purple on copper in recent years has been questioned by some experts that it all may be AT. There have been a lot of purple and blue AT copper coins to hit the market in the last couple of years to stir the pot. I have a copper cent that has some blue toning that I sent last year to PCGS that graded RB65 and CAC gave it a green bean.
You like the coin, so enjoy the blue toning.
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Man I like it. It's a beauty. Enjoy.
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Congratulations! She's a beauty! |
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It's a BEAUTIFUL coin Jon.
Congrats on adding it to your collection!
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I'll go on record again to say that I absolutely love this coin! It's one of my favorite series. Love the toning, love the cracks, love the strike. And, a higher grade to boot.
However, I understand that this particular specimen may not have the wide appeal of normally toned examples. The re-sale market may be a little smaller. The fact that it stands out from the crowd a little makes it a winner to me.
"Nummi rari mira sunt, si sumptus ferre potes." - Christophorus filius Scotiae
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Drop-dead beautiful to me.
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First let me say its a beautiful coin. However, I do disagree with the above post quote rick snow on "ms70 doesn't turn coins blue". I have personally tested this on many occasions, creating the blue effect every time. Using Different methods from doing it after acetone which would remove all oils, to harshly cleaning them with multiple cleaning agents prior to using MS70. Everytime I have to bring that blue color everyone talks about. I am not saying this is what was done with that coin, nor can I say it wasnt. At the end of the day, nobody will be able to say 100% for sure and all the matters is if you love the coin regardless of its past:)
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