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Coin found in a bag of unsearched coins, purchased from my local coin shop 3-5 years ago. This Lincoln Wheat cent also has on the Reverse a ghost image of the Lincoln Memorial,stamped between the wheat stalks. There's a date in Lincoln's hair. There are letters on his coat. There are letters in the rim. There's a ghost 'D' right after the D in GOD. On the Reverse at the bottom, there's the word 'Cent" at the bottom written in reverse. There may be more errors, my handheld magnifying glass is about 10X. Can anyone tell me if this kind of error is common. Thanks. Patc        |
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Valued Member
United States
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This is all post mint damage. Looks to me like somebody was having a good time whacking coins together with a big hammer.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I think so !
Whackadoo doo doo
Never ceases to amaze me how bored a person has to be
to whack a coin around.
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Pillar of the Community
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These coins show up fairly often, it has been put in a vice in the middle of a stack of other cents.
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Sorry. But I disagree with post mint damage on this coin. No hammer
could avoid hitting elevated coin surfaces like letters and numbers.
And no impact from a hammer could place a perface impression of the
Lincoln Memorial directly between the wheat stalks (without)
smashing the stalks.
Just like you can't strike just one side of a coin or area, without affecting another part, you can't double strike just one side of the coin either without certain affects coming into play -- there has to be some matching effect on the other side.
Double/Multiple strikes often occur because of equipment problems, in the feeding of the planchets into the coining chamber -- otherwise called operator mistake.
Multiple Strikes means the (additional) strikes can literally be anywhere on the coin -- and can overlap or not.
No sir, no hammer did this.
Thanks for trying.
Patc
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Has to be post damage as the years don't match 44 and then on imprint looks like a 59. Plus two different mint mark S, D
Edited by jeffreyice1
06/09/2008 7:41 pm
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Two possibilities:
1. It's post-mint damage.
2. 1944 penny manually restruck by a mint employee at a later year (1959), as second struck date is different which would be impossible during a normal run - no matter how faulty the equipment.
While I can't rule out #2, #1 is far more likely so I wouldn't get your hopes up about it being worth any more then $0.01.
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Bedrock of the Community
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It has to be a coin on coin transfer. If a real die had made this, the devices would be regular, not mirrored. The letters backwards is a dead copy of another coin pressed into the other coin. Don't believe me? Try putting to coins into a vise and squeeze them. you will have exactly what you have there. Post mint alteration.
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Assuming the person who re-struck this was smart enough to use the same date/mint mark and filed down the rims and parts of the secondary coin which they didn't want to strike the primary coin, and created a steel mold of the rear of the secondary coin to support and maintain its design during the strike --- how could you tell it was fake, besides sending it to the fed for verification?
What metal composition do they use for the striking equipment?
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Ahh, as coop identified, you would basically have to re-cast the die as well so that the impression was of the proper alignment. If you spent the time to recast a die to strike the front and cast a metal mold to maintain the shape of the rear, you might as well just go the whole route and start minting funny money :)
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The real odd thing about this damaged coin, is I sold it before I put this on the forum. And oh yes, it did sell for a lot more than .01 cents. And my hopes are extremely happy.
Thanks for the concern.
Patc
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All that means is that you ripped someone off with a damaged coin.
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Mr. Daughtrey,
You don't know me, to say that I ripped someone off. That's how people get sued for slander. What gives you the right to say that I ripped my husband off, who works for a car dealership, which is using the coin in a marketing give-away. The odder the coin, the more unusual, the more errors the better they like them -- some businesses even use $2 dollar bills.
I would appreciate it if you would not make those kinds of statements about me -- simply because you don't know me.
Patc
Edited by pennypal
06/09/2008 9:50 pm
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Pennypal, this is not an attempt at slander or anything of the sort. Statements of truth, however are not slanderous.
The fact is that you sold a coin or are using a coin that you apparently did not describe correctly. That fact that you got more than 1 cent for as a damaged coin did not do the buyer a service even if it is your husband.
The fact is, as stated before. The lettering and details are impressed into the coin and reversed. That is exactly what happens when one coin is impressed into another one outside of the Mint.
It is unfortunate that the coin is being used as a marketing tool as it is probably being described as something it is not.
In the numismatic field they are known as "hammer jobs", "vise jobs" or "squeeze jobs".
Whether intentional or not and I fully suspect that your intention was not to sell or use a damaged coin, it is indeed what you did.
The folks who responded to your post are some of the most knowledgeable people in numismatics and the right thing to do would be to thank them and then let your husband know that he might be representing the coin incorrectly.
An incorrect representation on his part may open him up to legal action. This is just a friendly word of caution.
Thanks,
foundinrolls
Edited by foundinrolls
06/09/2008 10:09 pm
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Thanks for the reply.
The fact of the matter is my husband, the business that bought it are also members of national coin clubs. And that is exactly how they described the coin in the give-away, full- blown picture, with the coin hanging on a key change. It's a one cent give-away with no resale value - which is pointed out in 12 foot letters.
I'm sure their legal department can handle that. And yes it does make a difference who I sold it too.
I not only described the coin, I put pictures up on this forum so people could see what the coin looks like. I said I disagreed with their opinion. That's all I said. I am not thanking anyone for insulting me just because they're experts. I don't need to put people down, to make myself look important. I'm sure of who I am.
I only asked a simply question, but trust me I won't bother anyone, here, any more.
Thanks.
Patc
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Bedrock of the Community
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my husband, the business that bought it are also members of national coin clubs If he is a member of a "national coin club" then he should be knowledgeable enough to be able to see that the coin is post-mint damage. Quote:
I only asked a simply question Multiple people answered your question, you refused to accept it- we only try to help but apparently you only want confirmation of your own wrong assumptions about a damaged coin. |
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