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1927 LWC Question About Machine Double Possible DDO

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Can someone take look at the date and tell me what caused this type of doubling? I haven't seen this before, so I wanted to find out if it was just Machine Doubling or something else.
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The ear looked like a DDO to me so I added a pic of it.


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 Posted 04/03/2018  1:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like VLDS not a DDO. Very nice pics by the way.
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Inside the ear is part of the fields. So when a die is polished, that area is affected also. Sometimes die polishing it so deep, that area goes away totally.
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When the fields are over polished, the devices can even go away as on the example I posted on this area of the head. But your coin has not had that much of a polishing yet. But the point is that the lines you see in there are part of the dies polishing to remove die damage or die clashes from the die. You have to think like a die to understand them. A die is a negative of a coin. A coin shows a flat surface on the coin called fields. These fields on the die are not the lowest, but the opposite, the highest on the die. On the devices they are deeper into the die, just opposite on the coin to make them higher there. So the coin is a positive of the a die, the die is a negative of the coin.
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See the letters are backwards, the devices that are raised on the coin, are deeper into the die. When a strike happens on the planchet, the metal is moved into the shape the die creates. This make the coin form the way the die wants. If something is in the way during a strike, it get shaped or prevents the desired shape of the die. So the die is the boss of the strike. If the die is altered, the coins will also be altered. Just the way the boss, the die shapes it. Die crack happens on the die, the coins will show what the boss says when the coin is struck. grease in the way, it either moves it if it is on the surface of the fields, or prevent a strike if the grease has no where to go. Something preventing the strike like cloth, debris or anything else. It has to way to go. Either it sticks to the die or coin, or it exits on the coin. So thinking of the die as the boss, what the boss says: the coins do. Hope this helps.
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Just noticed the date. Note the direction the anomoly is going? That is normal die wear direction. So it is an older die also. Not a double die.
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Thanks guys, definitely needed to learn that information going forward.
I appreciate the help.
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No expert at it but it looks more brushed or whizzed and then circulated.
The lines on the coin apear to be incuse like damage to the coin itself , not abrasions or flow lines on the die face.
The letters of the motto do not have the classic pull of flow look towards the rim that a late die stae would have
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By just comparing it to a Poor Man's Double Die, it looks like it was struck similarly to a Poor Man's Double Die, so I would say it suffers from Die Deterioration Doubling, which is fairly common.
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There is no way this could have been whizzed. When you look under a microscope, put a tooth pock under there. It looks huge. So it is a die issue, not a PSD issue.
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This isn't a die issue that would have added value, it's more along the lines of a die chip or crack, in terms of value.
Is that correct?
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