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1984 P Half Dollar With No FG?

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Can someone let me know if this is really a No FG 1984 p? I'm having trouble finding info for a no fg for this date. The PCGS does not list this date as having No FG?

Thanks for your help
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I believe the 1972-D, 1982, and 1966 proof no FG varieties are considered to have been made from dies where the initials were left off.

Yet quite a few other years can be found with what appears to be no FG. Sometimes tilting these coins just right can reveal the FG to be there. Sometimes the polishing has made the FG (or the F and/or the G) disappear. Over the years I have seen quite a few ebay auctions of slabbed "No FG" halves, yet the ebay pic shows the letters to be ghosted and sitting where they should be.
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Thank you for the reply. I find a lot with hard to see FG's an putting the coin under a microscope will show it's there, just weak. This one is different. I tried different lighting an angles but it's just not there. Just unsure on what to think of this one
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It's either there or not there. I went through $1000 in halves last night and some were close to not being there but it's there or not. Also, as far as being listed, doesn't matter when you sell it. I've found a 1973-D Kennedy half dollar, graded as AU-58 and labeled as "Missing Designer's Initials" by PCGS and sold it for $141.
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I find a lot with hard to see FG's and putting the coin under a microscope will show it's there, just weak. This one is different. I tried different lighting an angles but it's just not there. Just unsure on what to think of this one


Looking at your pics, the following thoughts come to mind -- and please remember this is only my opinion:

1. This date is not one of the ones known to be found on a large scale without the initials, hence it is likely a polishing issue.

2. Your coin has a rough surface when seen up close. The roughness could help hide ghosted letters IF they are there and not totally polished off (possible!).

3. It does not matter if the above ideas could be proven true or not, the simple fact of the matter is that if its not there... then its not there

I suspect this is not a true mint error - as in a die variety - but is the result of extending the life of the die.

I know CCF members I have talked to before on this forum (and sold some of my NO FGs to) like absolutely no trace of the FG to be there. I do not believe the 83 No FG is a die issue either. THis "variety" is known though. It is also known this date is found with a major die clash => polished dies => missing intials.



Unfortunately, TPGs will sometimes be misleading. Here is the info on these from PCGS's own website clearly showing a ghosted FG and claiming its an example of a No FG.
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And here is a pic of a slabbed example clearly showing visible remnants and ghosting of the letters - albeit the ghosting is faint.
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I've found a 1973-D Kennedy half dollar, graded as AU-58 and labeled as "Missing Designer's Initials" by PCGS and sold it for $141.

Wow! Since this is not a common one to find without the initials, then allegedly this would have been a case where they totally polished off the FG with no trace remaining. This is a rare occurrence and I understand why someone would want it.




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Just another claim to fame because of over polishing. Not forgotten, they are on the hub and were on the die when it was new... Removed.
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Great info an thank you guys. I know this coins (my 1984) is not in the best shape, but would it be worth getting it graded?
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That is a toss up. As you can see from the above, the TPGs likely would label it a no FG if they follow their own pattern. Shotgun said he sold one that is not normally seen in no FG for 124.00.

I was not aware that there was this much interest when the initials are missing from die polishing. But I guess as long as the initials are missing, people will pay for the coin.

If I ran across it, I would definitely keep it b/c I specialize in Kennedy halves. But I personally would not lay out cash for one that was not from the die just because I like die errors.



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I can't tell if it doesn't have the "No FG" initials or not. A better closeup picture of the FG area would be needed to accurately determine if it's missing or not.
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If it's truly a no FG, I'd shell out the money to have it graded, especially if you're going to sell it. Seems like people are leary of buying one if it's not graded. If you're keeping it, save your money. IMO
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Easiest way to remove the FG on a clad Half, is to gently flatten it with hundreds of tiny hits with a jewelry punch.
When a coin is struck (pressed), the raised parts of the detail are raised up, and so can be flattened, provided that the amount of raised metal is small.

This is the reason why so many of us are so sceptical about no FG's.
This is why I agree with all of what shotgung says.
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