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I was told that this Old Man Dollar was probably counterfeit. Is there any simple way to determine its authenticity?  |
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Pillar of the Community
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 Welcome to the Forum!! Think they will need closer and better cropped pictures. I am not an expert but someone will be along soon enough that is. |
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First off, welcome.
A heavily faked issue, for sure. Absolutely closeup shots would help, but beyond visual cues, the forgeries are typically are not made of silver - thus taking a weight to at least a tenth of a gram is the first step in detecting a phony. A reproduction's composition may even be ferrous, so if a magnet sticks to it. that'd also be a telltale sign it's not genuine.
Colligo ergo sum
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Just wondering why you seem to be so sure it's a counterfeit, Lucky Cuss. Is there something I'm not seeing?
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Just off the bat 1) no original coin has that type of detail, the cartoonishness is ...laughable. 2) the denticles, radiaing into straight lines around the lower portion  3) ah, supposed to be "chop marks"? 4) use a magnet if it sticks...you got stuck. 5) Just what "coin is it supposed to be? |
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Just wondering why you seem to be so sure it's a counterfeit, Lucky Cuss. Is there something I'm not seeing? As a genre, Chinese dollars are among the most widely forged coins on earth. The prudent approach to any you encounter is that they're presumptively bogus until proven otherwise. As pointed out above, this one really doesn't even resemble the normal types. It's probably more in the realm of a "fantasy" piece. Colligo ergo sum
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04/18/2018 9:33 pm
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I appreciate the information. BTW, I didn't purchase this coin. It was part of an inheritance collection of which there were some very fine and rare Chinese pieces.
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@W_CC, there are catalogues (Krause catalogue of world coins is one, plus on-line numista) which identify all the types of coins. If you can't find it in the catalogue, it is almost certainly a fantasy. If you do find it, the images should be an extremely close match on the front and reverse. If it seems to be off in some way, missing/ added design elements, poorly executed images, it is almost certainly a fake. These are some of the obvious ways to tell the real from the unreal.
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It was part of an inheritance collection of which there were some very fine and rare Chinese pieces. I'm not trying to be a "gloom & doom" type, but just be aware that on the whole, Chinese coins, including ancients, really are, well, complicated to assess on account of all the counterfeiting of them over many years. I'm truly hoping your rarities are genuine, but if they're not certified, doubt about them will be understandable, and don't take it personally if anybody here on this forum or whoever else you might otherwise show them to is skeptical. Colligo ergo sum
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And yes, some of these more modern fakes are VERY close to an original coin, in actual weight, surface material and designs, plus actually being put through a die press with computer assisted/designed dies, even going as far as taking an original coin plsnchet and remaking it to get the correct materials. It is quite hard nowadays for even the best professional attributors to catch a really good fake, some do actually get certified as genuine they are that good of a copy.
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Yea even from these grainy photos I can see its probably fake, all you need to do is compare if the other maybe more genuine examples of silver coins, details on large and small coin are very crisp even without contrasting fake aging, you might say hay it propably some wear but seriouly if you have see millions of coins you know what genuine wear and circulation looks like.
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04/19/2018 10:28 pm
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Most, if not nearly all surviving Taiwanese old man coins are heavily chopmarked. Obviously those were the era where all coins had to be tested for counterfeits. Edit: I decided to look it up and found an excellent example that was on auction. Never seen it any better https://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotv...91ef0f468d7aMy partial coin collection http://www.omnicoin.com/collection/gxseriesMy numismatics articles and collection: http://www.gxseries.com/numis/numis_index.htmRegularly updated at least once a month. Edited by gxseries
04/20/2018 01:24 am
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That said, can you please post better photos of the coin? I'm quite curious as this does not seem to be a common 'replica'. Could be something more interesting.
This coin is supposed to look like "cartoon".
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I appreciate all the information from you guys. I'd like to upload a better photo as requested, but it seems like I can only upload a 300k maximum which doesn't provide great detail.
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