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1972 D Kennedy Half Dollar No-Fg?

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Not sure if this qualifies as a no FG. At first glance it looks like it. Under the scope and at the right light angle, I think I see a very very slight G. Your thoughts?

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The pics make it look like its OK in some and look like you are seeing a ghost in others. Try tilting it at different angles to a light source.

The 72-D and the 82P are the only one made from dies missing the FG. Other dates can be found, but the FG is missing from the dies being polished.

Its not too difficult to find slabbed ones of these dates that are polished away and show an FG.

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Try tilting it at different angles to a light source.


Thanks Earl. I did. I think I'm seeing a very slight ghosting.

We need these coins in high grades to be significant anyway, correct?
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I think the best way to tell would to be checking ebay sold items. A lot of the time,although the listing is No FG, you can see it clearly b/c the camera saw it when taking the pic.

Unfortunately, b/c the TPGs will slab some as No FG, like the above, that show an FG or a ghosted one, I think some people will not trust their own eyes b/c a TPG says different.

I just did some fun perusing on ebay. It seems average circulated ones are going 7-10.00 or so. But there was a circulated went for 148.00a and another sold for 800.00! I have to wonder if those were real sales or not.

I also found three more slabbed 1982s like above!
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Yes, I was seeing and thinking the same thing. Thanks for the reality check! !
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This was caused by an Over Polished Die as you can see the abrasion marks on the reverse, since they were trying to get rid of a Die Clash. I think I can see the "FG" initials a little bit.
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Also Note:
in 1982, there are two types of No FG

ADR-001 and an ADR-002

the ADR-002 seems to be rarer than the 001



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I think your 72D could be the No FG. Attached are a couple of photos of the 72D No FG in my collection for you to compare. Note, since the 72D No FG was from an abraded clash, you can see a little bit of the clash through D in DOLLAR. I don't think this is a true variety and wish the CP Guide had never listed it.
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I think your 72D could be the No FG. Attached are a couple of photos of the 72D No FG in my collection for you to compare. Note, since the 72D No FG was from an abraded clash, you can see a little bit of the clash through D in DOLLAR. I don't think this is a true variety and wish the CP Guide had never listed it.


As long as this thread was revived, I need to make a correction from the last time I posted here. Back in 2018 I posted here saying the 1972-D was from a die without the FG. But I have not seen pictures yet of a 1972-D where the devices surrounding the initials-area are not smoothed from die polishing. It is possible to see an 1982-P No FG with no evident polishing, and all of these 1982-P No FGs without polishing also have a no-base 1 (sans serif) in the date. The san serif 1 and the lack of initials indicates a different die was used than with most 1982-P halves.


Ron Guth, former president of PCGS is the one who "discovered" the 1972-D No FG. No wonder it was recognized and people have literally lost thousands of dollars paying for high graded ones. No doubt some of these were bought to help make a higher rated Registry Set. And some of the high grades one show an obvious FG.

We see people complaining about frauds on ebay, yet it seems since its PCGS no one cares about the fraud over these No FG halves. Not only does this situation cost people money while perpetrating a falsehood, but it also is a mark against the alleged expertise and alleged honorable reputation the grading companies are assumed by so many to have.

I wonder if there was no extra fee charged for calling a half dollar No FG on the label if there would be so many out there slabbed that break the standard PCGS says of "there can be absolutely no trace..." of the FG.

The facts are in the link in my signature.

NGC and ANACS also do the same thing.



How much squash could a Sasquatch squash if a Sasquatch would squash squash?
Download and read: Grading the graders
Costly TPG ineptitude and No FG Kennedy halves
https://ln5.sync.com/dl/7ca91bdd0/w...i3b-rbj9fir2
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