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Pillar of the Community
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05/30/2018 6:04 pm
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Pillar of the Community
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They look good to me, and the seller has good feedback.
What makes you think they're fake?
"Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire
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Pillar of the Community
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These are copies, well cooked (darkened, damaged and even covered with natural rust) and dangerous.
The seller possibly does not know as he is not an expert on coins.
This is the usual way how forgeries are passed nowadays.
The real deceivers stand in the background and use this guy who knows nothing about coins or does not suspect such good forgeries.
The trick with the shipwreck coins is that with all these scratches and deposits (obviously artificially made) most people will not send them for grading by a TGP.
The result is 100% loss of the invested money for the collector.
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Pillar of the Community
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About the feedback: All of it is not coming from coins.
As said the guy is also a victim because he is probably clueless.
The two British pieces are authentic in my opinion, the colonial silver reales coins are FAKE!
Edited by coinworldtv
05/31/2018 11:16 am
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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The (2) "1691" 8R are blatant fabrications from hand-cut dies - and they don't appear contemporary/"falsa de epoca".
The others are all of proper design - it then becomes a matter of comparing fine details, surfaces and patinas.
CWTV, I think there's a mix here. For the (2) Dutch daalder-types, the 30 Stuiver is definitely cast, and the rijksdaalder almost certainly is also. Of the reales (cobs) pieces... I see a few as cast and a few as likely genuine.
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Pillar of the Community
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If we assume the "1691" are indeed modern, and that they were artificially aged/weathered/patinated... "they" did a good job on them. And on the topic of artificial tone and such... if we say "well, the toning on those fake 1691 pieces seems to match the others, so those are all fake too" - well, you can't necessarily make that conclusion. No reason the same staining technique couldn't be used on a dipped and stripped GENUINE piece. There was an ebay seller of various wreck types (Dutch, Spanish) out of England several years back (of Polish or Ukrainian origin from the name, as I recall) who, while he was selling genuine coins, was clearly artificially toning/darkening them (all sorts of different wrecks and/or different origin pieces, same toning). Edited by realeswatcher
05/31/2018 1:28 pm
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Pillar of the Community
Austria
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Well, forget about the tone. I am focusing on the coins here and they are FAKE (all colonial and dutch pieces).
Yes, they did a good job, indeed, but they can not fool the eye of professional numismatist yet.
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05/31/2018 1:55 pm
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Pillar of the Community
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It seems that ebay has properly reacted and has stopped the auctions as I can no longer see the listings. |
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