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Weird Devices On 1972 D LMC (Over Polishing?)

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I've had this penny a while and the letters look strange. I chalked it up to over polishing of the die but was wondering if that is indeed what caused this. Some of the letters are really skinny and/or oddly shaped. The N in IN you can see what looks like a skinny N over a fatter N. The letters in LIBERTY are all funky shaped with the Y being really skinny. When they polish dies do they actually get into the void where the devices are stamped and if they do, why would the letters be smaller and not bigger like you would think when they are in actuality removing material from the die. The letters in LIBERTY look almost like they were drawn free hand. They have no uniformity. I'm sure this is nothing special, I just haven't come across anything else that looks remotely like this and would like to know if someone knows why this would happen. The obverse is a little off center too but the back is totally normal with a very nice strike actually, very detailed with almost not die wear.
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Yep. It was caused by an Over Polished Die from trying to get rid of a Die Clash. http://www.error-ref.com/thinning-a...gn-elements/
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Not all by over- polishing but MDD as well.

Know what else is interesting? That 1972 D MINT! exhibits the MDD Master Die Doubling of the 1972's, happens on all mints, but always seems to catch noobs when thinking they have the BIG ONE! Note the IN, and B of LIBERTY, key signs.
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Oh wow, there it is. Thanks for the link EV. I guess that answers that question. I didn't think I had anything special. I was pretty sure it was from over polishing, I just hadn't seen it affect the devices to that degree before. Are you sure it's not a DDO or OMM or RPM? I gotta be getting close.


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You're very welcome! Error-ref.com is a great website with a lot of information on errors and varieties. I recommend using this site.

Edit: Crazyb0 is correct. It also exibits Master Die Doubling (MDD). It's a Doubled Die Obverse, but it's a worthless one, since almost all of them showed this.
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Yes, Over polishing reduces the devices.
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No premium for that though.

Master die doubling. (About 50% from all three mints have that. But it is a doubled die.
No premium for that either.
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Waynoah83,
As to a RPM,can't tell from the photo.
As to an OMM,remember that the last OMM on cents was in the late 1950's.
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why would the letters be smaller and not bigger like you would think when they are in actuality removing material from the die.


As mentioned removing material from the die, the devices reduce in size, because they're slightly tapered. In other words the opening is wider than the dies inner recesses.

Thinking this aids in the coins release for ejection after strike as opposed to sticking to or hanging up on the die face. Thanks, Doug.

Forgot to mention that's an interesting edge (obverse) or false rim / gutter for such a minor misalignment.
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