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Concern For The Long Run Future Of Our Zincoln Collections.

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I recently invested in a really inexpensive USB plugable microscope. When I look at a Zincoln that to the bare eye looks to be in pretty darn good shape you'll find more than one spot where the copper has been compromised and tiny areas of zinc rot is starting. Given time and the right conditions we've all seen the bubbling cauldron of white powder they can become. My concern is our Dansco and Whitman albums. If stored in a controlled environment the degradation slows greatly but still progresses. I have a feeling that 200 years or so from now if someone opens an album they are going to find a mess 1982 and later. I have a hunch that the Zincolns that many of us disdain now will be very valuable in high grades in the future. What storage method do you think gives us the best fighting chance?
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Because of the stresses placed upon the devices when stamped, the metal at their base(field is very thinned and sometimes microscoptically broken. Even the best airtight methaod won't help talking 200 years. I wonder if the underlying thought was to have coins disappear from circulation instead of the forced collection of demonetized currency/coin that is surely in the near future. I feel the same with regard to the atrocious outpouring of "ugly" coinage, style and design changes since the turn of this century, hoping this stuff just won't be used in commerce...like the half dollar since 2003.
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This might sound crazy to some , but I would give my best Zincolns an application of Verdi-Care then store in an air-tite . The Verdi-Care will preserve & conserve the coin .
Yes , I'm very partial to that product ,I use it a lot with very satisfying results .
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T_bop gives an excellent suggestion.

I agree that the Zincolns are not long for this world. As noted, the vast majority have problems immediately after issue.

I would go through however many thousands it takes to find examples without zinc spots and a perfect copper coat.
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I just put them in Albums. I don't worry about what they will look like in 200 years. Although I am planning on being around until then so maybe I should worry about them.
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I am not worried at all. My oldest Zincolns have been in my Dansco for just over thirty-three years now. They look just as good as they did when I put them in there. Even the notoriously shoddy 1982 and 1983 issues have held up.
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Even the notoriously shoddy 1982 and 1983 issues have held up.


Then I guess there's hope.

But I don't know. I still think high grade coins will be hard to come by.
Any opinions on what does 'PERFECT' long term storage would look like?

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That is a good question. My cents are far from perfect.

I think high grade cents need high grade protection:

1. Keep them in better slabs, Air-tites, and other more secure holders.

2. Place whatever you use to organize them (album, box) into zipper type plastic bags with desiccants and sacrificial red copper coins (like common pre-Zinc Memorial cents). Squeeze out as much excess air as possible.

3. Then put your bags into some other sturdy, sealable container with more desiccants and sacrificial copper. BadThad would say "mo' layers, mo' better!"

4. Finally, store it somewhere with climate control (low humidity and stable temperature).
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And don't store them in rolls. I have approx 3,000 1983's I recently took out of rolls of which I had rolled, in 1983. I found that if one penny had rot, that rot ate into the penny next to it. Out of 3,000, I saved 40 by placing them into 2x2s. My thought is that if the one's I'm keeping have survived and look decent under 5x, they'll probably last.
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Sorry to hear about that mass loss, Mike. Glad you were able to save 40 of them.
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And don't store them in rolls. I have approx 3,000 1983's I recently took out of rolls of which I had rolled, in 1983. I found that if one penny had rot, that rot ate into the penny next to it.

Now you tell me ! I have 10 BU rolls that I took out of OBW's, removed the paper wrappers and put into plastic tubes . I haven't looked at them since 1983 . They were waxed sealed but I hope I don't have the problem you had .
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4. Finally, store it somewhere with climate control (low humidity and stable temperature).

You forgot #5 ; After #1-#4 have been secured ,you must put those precious Zincolns into a Bomb Shelter . Hey ,you never know !
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It's just a shame that the greatest country in the world, with arguably the greatest mint(s) and a tradition of fine, often magnificent, coins has made, apparently largely for political reasons, such a horrible coin with such bad prospects for long-term preservation. It's absurd, and all the worse in that the copper Lincolns were such a beloved and attractive coin.
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About 3 months ago I dumped most of my rotted 1983s into a coinstar kiosk in Mt Holly NJ. I'm sure this rot spread to other coins in that machine.
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I don't trust myself to collect/store them. I pretty much have stopped trying to get one of each after 1982 now that I know of zinc rot. I have quite a few though until about 2009 or so, but will not actively be collecting them and don't care if I keep the ones I have.

I especially don't care about the 1983 DDR since it will likely disintegrate on me.

As careful as I have been with storing/handling my coins, the other day I noted a 1967 half in MS condition now has a green spot starting to grow on it. To put this half into storage I handled it with cotton gloves, dipped it into acetone before putting it in a 2X2, and used a squeeze bulb to blow away any dust or dirt that may have been on the 2X2. This was stored in a box with a large, new desiccant pack inside.

Evidently even new 2X2s can sometimes have a contaminant on them.

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