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How Far Back Can We Go? Fifth Edition! Ended At 1461 Waiting On 1460 C. E. (A. H. 864)

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1668 -- Kingdom of Hungary, 6 krajczar:
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1668 Charles IV of Lorraine (France)
Teston (1/4 ecu)


Beautiful example! Mine comes in a few days


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today and tomorrow I post a few jetons testifying events during the War of Devolution (1667-1668) when France under Louis XIV tried to expand territories at the expense of the Spanish Habsburg empire


Very interested to see the numismatic items that correspond to these events!
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Here is a 2 Skilling from Norway dated AD 1668:

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Brabant 1667 Ducaton of Charles II, Antwerp mint KM#79.1. As also mentioned by 1c5d in his post for 1671 with three nice pieces of Charles II, Charles was very young in these portraits. This type was designed and striking begun in 1665 when Charles was only 4 years old.
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1667 two other jetons about the War of Devolution (1667-1668)

Today we see the Spanish side of the story, the construction of a new fortified city in order to defend current Belgium against a French invasion.

The new city (built in 1666 anticipating the imminent war) was called Charleroi (King Charles) and did not exist before, very unlike vitually all towns of Holland and Belgium which have medieval roots. Today it is one of the major cities of Wallonia, the French speaking part of Belgium.

The two jetons (1667 Dugn.4237) picture the very young king Carolus II of Spain on the obverse and on the reverse the fortifications, on top (to the South) runs the Sambre river. The second is a recent "upgrade" of the first, better details of the geography.

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below is a modern model of the situation in 1666: the city has large buildings probably the quarters of by a large garrison of the Spanish army

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edit: forgotten to write that the legend surrounding the reverse holds an anagram of the date, look at the letters with a larger size:
PROPVGNACVLVM PATRIAE DAT NOBIS
MDCLVVVII = 1667
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Great jeton with an interesting story ... I did not know the unusual origin of Charleroi.
There is a town not too far from where I live in the U.S. which was named after the Belgian one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charl...ania#History
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very nice tdziemia ! the chain of events triggering new events is wonderful

below two more jetons of 1667

the first is one of my favorites
Obverse: Archangel Michael defeating the devil, patron of the city of Brussels
the legend DIVVS MICHAEL PATRONVS has the anagram to 1667
Reverse: Coat-of-arms of Peter Justus van Armstorff, treasurer of the city of Brussels

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the second (Dugn.4244 vOrden1307) is from the supervisor of the channel connecting Brussels to the Scheldt river
OBV: coat-of-arms of the family of Van der Haege. 16 67
REV: boat moved on by favorite winds, FAVSTVS AB HESPERIA SEMPER CAROLVS

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Brabant 1667 Ducaton of Charles II, Antwerp mint


Nice!!
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1667 -- Royal Mint of Silesia, 3 kreuzer:
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Here is a 6 Groschen from Poland dated AD 1667. Starting now I have a bunch of Polish and Lithuanian coins.


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1667 King Charles XI of Sweden

2 Mark

Adolescent bust with dots after XI and AE
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Pre-adolescent bust with no dots after XI and AE
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1667 King Louis XIV of France

1/2 Ecu with Juvenile Bust

Paris(A)
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Rennes(9)
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Ecu with Juvenile Bust

Bayonne(L)
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Ecu for Bearn with Juvenile Bust

Pau
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Nice batch of 1667 coins!

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the legend DIVVS MICHAEL PATRONVS has the anagram to 1667

I'm really fascinated by this device. Is it special to one jeton designer, or to this place and era?


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Starting now I have a bunch of Polish and Lithuanian coins.

Since the last "How Far Back" I've also been adding in this area in the mid-1600s.
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1667 patagon, Bruges mint. I sent this one off to auction.

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1667 patagon, Bruges mint
Nice coin!


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I sent this one off to auction.
Why not to me?
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