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How Far Back Can We Go? Fifth Edition! Ended At 1461 Waiting On 1460 C. E. (A. H. 864)

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Charles XI (1655-1697)
Livonia, Swedish occupation
King of Poland, Lithuania and Sweden (1660-1697)
SOLIDUS.C.RIGEN.6.0
SOLIDUS CIVITATIS RIGENSIS
city of Riga
CAROLUS.D.G.REX.VS
CAROLUS.DEI.GRATIA.REGINA.SVECLĈ
S and V exchanged (or does it mean something else?)
Charles, by the grace of God, King of Sweden
SvB # 99

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Two jetons (one from Belgium - the same as the jeton posted by Petrus on the previous page; and one from France). Both jetons are somehow related to each other via the "treaty of the Pyrennees" (signed Nov. 1659) bringing peace at last after 30 years of war between Spain and France. France was clearly the winner of this conflict, gaining territory in the South (Roussillon and surroundings) and North (parts of the Spanish Netherlands, like Arras, Thionville, Gravelines).

Jeton 1 Dugniolle 4160 shows the Spanish Emperor, Philip IV
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Jeton 2, made in France (Feuardent 12561) symbolizes the marriage between the young Louis XIV and Marie Therèse of Spain, daughter of Philip IV

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Below a beautiful painting of the treaty ceremony (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treat...he_Pyrenees)
on the left we see Louis XIV and the French delegation, on the right Philip IV and the Spanish representatives; behind Philip his daughter

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the treaty was signed on a small island at the border between France and Spain that would remain a Spanish/French co-dominion; for some time
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1660 William of Orange

1/12 ecu
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1660 King Louis XIV of France

1/12 Ecu with Juvenile Bust

Rouen(B)
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Lyon(D)
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Aix(&)
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1/12 Ecu for Dauphine with Juvenile Bust

Grenoble(Z)
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1/2 Ecu with Juvenile Bust

Bayonne(L)
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1/12 Ecu with Long Curl

Lyon(D)
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Limoges(I)
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1/12 Ecu for Bearn with Long Curl

Pau
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1/2 Ecu with Long Curl

Bordeaux(K)
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Ecu for Navarre with Long Curl

Saint Palais
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Another Polish Schilling dated AD 1660:

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1660 ecu de Navarre à la mèche longue, Kingdom of France, Saint Palais mint
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1660 8 reales, Spanish Empire, Segovia mint
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1660 krone of four marck, Kingdom of Denmark, Copenhagen mint
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1660 thaler, Braunschweig-Lüneburg-Celle, Clausthal mint
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1660 thaler, Besançon
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1660 siege thaler, Münster
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1660 -- Electorate of Saxony-Albertine, 3 pfennig:
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A French jeton dated 1660.

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Here is a 2 Albus from the German Archbishopric of Cologne dated AD 1659:

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@jgenn, lovely set of 1660 coins from some places we haven't seen!
Also, since have occasionally commented on hair, beard, moustache, we can see that the Jan Kasimir schillings of 1661 and later (@spence and my 1661 posts) also have the one long curl of hair down the neck, like the Louis XIV busts.
I have no doubt which king copied this hair style from the other
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@jgenn, lovely set of 1660 coins from some places we haven't seen!


I very much agree!!
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I very much agree!!


Very good point @tdz and @petrus. My fave from @jgenn's group of 1660's coins was that Klippe from Münster.
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1660 8 reales, Spanish Empire, Segovia mint
Love the circulation cameo here.
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My fave from @jgenn's group of 1660's coins was that Klippe from Münster


indeed mine too, but from a splendid series

below a 1659 ducaton from the city of Zwollle, the Netherlands, Delm. 1041

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@jgenn, lovely set of 1660 coins from some places we haven't seen!


Thanks for sharing several beauties from '60 including the especially exquisite St. Palais ecu (both in rarity and condition)!
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