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How Far Back Can We Go? Fifth Edition! Ended At 1461 Waiting On 1460 C. E. (A. H. 864)

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Christina, Sweden, 1644

One Öre. Dated MDCXLIV, large coin.
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1/4 Öre. Small coin.
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1644 -- Bishopric of Chur, 1 kreuzer:
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Here is a 4 Pfennig from the German town of Coesfeld dated AD 1644:

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1644 Queen Christina of Sweden

1/4 ore
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1/2 Riksdaler
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Riksdaler
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1644 King Louis XIV of France

1/12 Ecu with Short Curl (à la mèche courte)

Paris(A)
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Ecu with Short Curl

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Great contributions today.

Interesting new places (Chur, Coesfeld) and more great examples from the mainstays of this era (Sweden, France, Low Countries).
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1643 ecu d'argent, Kingdom of France, Paris mint.

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1643 - jeton called 'capture of Thionville' with on the obverse a nice view of the jewel of the golden fleece

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another 1643 jeton 'determination of Philip IV' (in the Spanish-France war)

obv the king on horseback again (this time with cowboy hat)
rev an interesting feature : a medusa shield


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Christina I VASA (1626-1689)
Livonia, Swedish occupation
SOLIDUS.CIVI.RIGE.43
SOLIDUS CIVITATIS RIGENSIS
city of Riga
CHRISTINA.D.G.D.ER.S
CHRISTINA.DEI.GRATIA.DESIGNATUUM.REGINA.SVECLÆ
Christina, by the grace of God, designated queen of Sweden

Riga coin
Reference: SB 62; Haljak 1525
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Strange case that E between the G and R.
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If the E had been after the R, it could have been part of Regina, but that is not the case.

The mint mark is also strange, in this period it should be a helmet in a heart.

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oord (liard)
1643
FERDINAND VAN BAVARIA 1612-1650
mint: LIEGE
FERDINAND. D. G. EP. LEO.
Ferdinandus dei gratia episcopus Leodiensis.
Ferdinandus, by God's grace bishop of Liège.
DVX. BVL. MAR. FRANCH. CO. LO.
dux Bulloniensis marchionis Franchimontis comes Lossensis Hornensis.
Duke of Bouillon, Marquis of Franchimont, Count of Loon and Horne.
On August 16, 1641, the coinage of 40,000 livres of new liards was approved. The old ones had to be returned to the coin house.
de Chestret 622/624 - Dengis 1064
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Quote:
On August 16, 1641, the coinage of 40,000 livres of new liards was approved. The old ones had to be returned to the coin house.



What was the reason?
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Quote:
jeton called 'capture of Thionville' with on the obverse a nice view of the jewel of the golden fleece


Indeed! I think this is the largest representation of the golden fleece I've seen on a numismatic item (though we will also see some silver coins in about 150 days featuring this emblem). For those who want to pursue the history of the chivalric order (including why we often see the fleece combined with two "briquets,"): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order...olden_Fleece

As for Thionville, though today an out-of-the way place on the France-Luxembourg border, in historic times it was a strategic stronghold that endured sieges or battles in the Italian War (1558), the Thirty Years' War, the French Revolutionary Wars (1792), and also changed hands as a result of the Franco-Prussian War, WWI and WWII.
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Here is another Austrian 3 Kreuzer, but dated AD 1643:

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1643 King Louis XIV of France

1/4 Ecu with Short Curl

Paris
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Ecu with Short Curl

Paris
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