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How Far Back Can We Go? Fifth Edition! Ended At 1461 Waiting On 1460 C. E. (A. H. 864)

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 Posted 08/18/2019  10:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wow! Amazing to see this rare coin with Sigismund as king of Sweden after a handful as king of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth.
As reminder of the history, Sigismund was the son of John III of Sweden and Catherine Jagiello, daughter of Sigismund I of Poland. Due to this Polish-Lithuanian dynastic connection, Sigismund was elected king of Poland-Lithuania in 1587, but when John III died in 1592, Sigismund also became king of Sweden. Until he was deposed by his father's cousin, Charles IX in 1599.

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I'll start 1597 with a Lithuanian trojak of Sigismund III:
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AT bottom of reverse, the ox's head is the symbol of Vilnius mintmaster Simon Lidman, and the anchor-like symbol is that of the Lithuanian treasurer, Dimitri Chalecki.
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nice!!
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Vilnius mintmaster Simon Lidman

Simon Lidman - that sounds very Swedish. I wonder what the story behind that is...
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Amazing to see this rare coin with Sigismund as king of Sweden


Thanks, they are very tough to find. I've one more Swedish Siggy coin for tomorrow.
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1597 -- Kingdom of Hungary, 1 denar:
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great coins posted !

here two more of my jetons, anno 1597

the first is a commercial issue, produced by the directors of the channel Brussels/Scheldt river

the legend of the obverse is in Flemish: LEGPENNINCK DER STADT V BRVESSEL (jeton of the city of Brussels)
the obverse has the CONCORDIA RES PARVAE CRESCVNT (unity makes strength) which in the 17th century would become one of the most preferred legends on coins of the United Provinces, being present on all ducatons, ducats, etc etc . but we'll see it three weeks from now on the "Union Daalder 1579"

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the second jeton is in the series of military propaganda, celebrating Maurits of Nassau: this one was made after the battle of Turnhout

the obverse shows a 'trofee of arms' and a rudimentary map of the region showing the big rivers and small towns

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Amazing jetons--so glad you are posting them! Here is some more of Siggy:


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I was wondering when the parade of Hungary denars would start!
Trojak is from the Olkusz mint (I think I may have given the Iger numbber over on the Poland thread?). Initials IF at bottom are for Johann Firlej, Polish crown treasurer. We will see these initials on trojaks from several other crown mints over the next week.
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3 groschen, Trojak 1596. They have tilted the 6 to make it fit... :-D

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1596 triple alliance between the United Provinces, France and England in the war against Spain
the image of the rampant lion with a bundle of arrows (United Provinces) is propaganda for power; again we see the help of a divine hand

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1596 troubles in Utrecht after heavy taxes on bread and .... beer (horrible)
the image of the turtle (the population) immune to the stings of bees (taxes and other issues of difficult times) is quite appealing

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1596 Leicesterrijksdaalder type 2 (seven provinces on reverse) mint of Harderwijk, Ghelders

legend on obverse shows CONCORDIA RES PARVAE CRESCVNT (unity makes strength) and bundle of arrows

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More Sigismund. 6 Groschen, Szóstak, 1596

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... and more Sigismund. 3 Groschen, Trojak, 1596

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1 rupee
India Mughal empire
AH1004-5 / 1596AD
Ilahi date 41
Ruler: Akbar, Jalal-ud-din Muhammad (AH963-1014 / 1556-1605AD)
Akbar the Great or Akbar I
3rd Mughal emperor
mint: Ahmadabad
The legend on the coin is:
jal-jalalahu akbar allah /
zarb ahmadabad, 41 azar ilahi
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