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How Far Back Can We Go? Fifth Edition! Ended At 1461 Waiting On 1460 C. E. (A. H. 864)

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Here is a Livonian Schilling dated AD 1593:

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 Posted 08/23/2019  07:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add giljan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
1/2 Batzen 1593, 2 Kreuzer, German states Solms-Lich

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I really enjoy the comments on the sigismund coins I'm posting

Thank you. I am still learning, and I revised the attribution on one of your 1594 coins. In 1594 there were very strong similarities between some of the Poznan and Wschowa types.
For 1593, your first is Malbork mint. I am posting mine below, same type.
Your second is Poznan mint, Iger P.93.2.d, similar to yesterday's coin with "SIGI 3".
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1593, jeton from Dordrecht 'Siege and capture of Geertruidenberg'

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Geertruidenberg was a small town but heavily fortified and thus an important stronghold overlooking the "Bergse Maas", the most Southern of the big rivers that flow from East to West into the North Sea, making the natural division between the Southern and Northern Provinces of the Netherlands

Prince Maurits achieved a surrender of the city by the technique of a circumvallation linion, chaining together a sufficient number of war ships to prevent any passage of food and arms over the river into the Maas; isolating the sieged city from relief forces.

Consequently, the general of the Spanish forces, Peter Ernst I van Mansfeld could not break through this iron curtain of the Dutch army which held the city in a firm grip. After three months the city surrendered in June 1593. From then on "the garden of Holland" with protected trade shipping routes would never again be threatened by the Spanish armies.

Below a map of the siege in which the strategy of a circumvallation linion by ships chained together on the Bergse Maas is made visible

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1593 -- Kingdom of Hungary, 1 denar:
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1592 a late example of a "Philipsdaalder", Namur mint (mint master token = briquet)

The Philipsdaalder, named after the portrait of king Philip II of Spain, was the one ounce silver piece that dominated the monetary system of the Netherlands between 1557 and 1598.

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I don't have any coins from Sigismund today, thus I have to post one from his father instead.
King of Sweden John III.
This is a Fyrk. ( 1/4 of an ÖRE )

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Nice daalder! I like such coins!
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I also like that these coins of Philip were minted in such large number to make them affordable today. Thalers from Poland during the 16th century do not appear to have been circulating coins, and were only minted a few years (1564,1565,1580-83,1587-90). When they come up for auction, the selling prices are in the tens of thousands of dollars.
Whereas large silver from Spanish and Hapsburg states is very accessible to collectors.
The largest circulating Polish coins before 1600 were the 6 groschen coins of 1596-1600 we saw a few days ago (4.8 grams) and the 4 groschen coins of Sigismund August 1565-69 (4.3 grams).
I have another Malbork trojak of Sigismund today:
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Here is a Polish Schilling dated AD 1592:

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Nice coin!
The triangle and ring on either side of the cross at 12:00 reverse also identify this schilling to the Malbork mint.
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Ok thx @tdz. That is good to know.
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1592 Queen Elizabeth I of England

Sixpence

Mintmark tun
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1592 -- Kingdom of Hungary, 1 denar:
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