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I found this 1983 P LMC a few weeks back and set it in the go over again pile. After looking at this cent it shares a lot of the same characteristics as the WDDR-002 that Mr. Wexler has on his site. There are some differences though. One being that you can see the bottom right corner is MD however, the die break is in the same location as the WDDO-002. I also know that even if there is MD a coin can still be either a DDO or DDR as there are numerous that have been certified with this characteristic. I suspect the answer will be nothing more than MD but I am not seeing a reduction in the devises.Thoughts?      Edited by Jim0815
07/23/2018 10:13 am
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I don't think it matches WDDR-002. I looked at the pictures of WDDR-002, and it's not the same.
Errers and Varietys.
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David, I've got the login thing figured out. Now if CCF could block all these pop up ads!
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Jim, I'm glad that you got the login issue figured out! That's good.
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Guess what guys. This is 1983P-1DO-002  The die scratches from the 'D' are part of what to look for. Jim: Concentrate more on the hub doubling areas. That is where to look for a doubled die. The STATES and FG area threw others off the track. I know you thought it was MD on the FG (which it is) but you took the hound dogs off the scent when you crossed the river. Earlier die state 1983P-1DO-002   Edited by coop
07/23/2018 9:25 pm
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Coop, for some reason, this Doubled Die Reverse always gets me everytime for some reason. I always think it's Machine Doubling when it's not. How come I get tricked so much on 1DO-002? Jim, Coop is correct on this one. I was wrong, and I'm sorry about that.  Errers and Varietys.
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07/23/2018 9:19 pm
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Thank you Mr. Coop. I'm learning and I think my eye is starting to get on the right track. Once I put the eye and the mind together I'll see more than I have so far for sure. It also helps when you have really good, patient people to help you along.
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I agree with you Jim! It's very good, since you have very patient people like me, Coop, Crazyb0, and the other CCF members. Amen to that!
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Another FS-802 woo hoo. Great strange variety, Jim did you find it roll searching or cherry picked it? I love looking at the different stages of this one. The MS example I own has great doubling through e pluribus unum. 1983 was a great year except for the Chrysler K Car. How about them Yugos too.
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Cam, I found that cent roll searching. Awful glad to have it. Can't forget the Ford Fiesta!
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07/24/2018 9:23 pm
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I don't know if this is WDDR-002. I agree the doubling is similar but you only give us two closeup images of the doubling AND the closeups you took are not of the areas where the doubling should be most prominent (UNITED and ONE). The die scratches do not match the images I've seen of WDDR-002, even the ones Coop posted. I can't find one scratch on your coin that matches Coop's pics. Your coin has east to west scratches below the TA in STATES, WDDR-002 doesn't. WDDR-002 has northwest to southeast scratches above the FG initials, your coin has east to west scratches there. Looking closer I don't even see the strong notching on the T that Coop's pic shows. Right now I disagree with this being WDDR-002. I'd like to see better pics of the area where the doubling should be more prominent, maybe I'll be proved wrong. Quote:
this Doubled Die Reverse always gets me everytime for some reason. It seems every post involving WDDR-002 has the forum split on whether the coin is or isn't WDDR-002. |
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I made two side-by-sides of Jim's coin and Coop's image from PCGS; one normal and one with the die scratches highlighted. Scratches don't seem to line up and the doubling looks a bit off. I'd still like to see pics of UNITED and ONE from Jim. These differences could be caused by a difference in die state but I just can't find any pics of WDDR-002 with the same die scratches as Jim's coin.   Edited by Tanman2001
07/24/2018 10:45 pm
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The biggest clue that this is the right die? Note the 'E'? Note the notch on the center tine of the 'E'. It is visible on both coins.
Die scratches on the on the fields flatten fast. Then new die scratches are added.But note the inside of the 'D' on UNITED.The die scratches last a lot longer there. Note they are visible also on both examples. So some die scratches will disappear, but the ones close to the devices stay longer. Sometimes you can see the old/new die scratches close to the devices.
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It seems every post involving WDDR-002 has the forum split on whether the coin is or isn't WDDR-002. I know. I'm very sorry for that. I just stink at this Doubled Die number. Errers and Varietys.
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