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Pillar of the Community
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Oregon coin geek.....*** GO BEAVS ! ! ! ***
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Pillar of the Community
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Oregon coin geek.....*** GO BEAVS ! ! ! ***
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Bedrock of the Community
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I've heard of these but this is the first I've seen. Thanks for the link.
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Rest in Peace
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This is news to me. I'm interested with what others may have to say...
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Pillar of the Community
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...me too brocephus.
Oregon coin geek.....*** GO BEAVS ! ! ! ***
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Interesting.  |
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Pillar of the Community
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We need Philadelphia and Vermont to show up.
Oregon coin geek.....*** GO BEAVS ! ! ! ***
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Pillar of the Community
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Wouldn't that be similar to a coin that was "tooled"? Tooled coins have a diminished value. The seller has a story to tell, but provides nothing to back it up with respect to this particular coin.
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From Coin World... The "Smith Counterfeit" is a curious 19th century numismatic oddity. Coin World's Paul Gilkes wrote in his Dec. 2, 2013, feature on contemporary counterfeits, "The Smith counterfeits were heavily circulated 1793 and 1794 cents that engraver William D. Smith — known as Smith of 1 Ann Street in New York City — re-engraved in the late 1850s and early 1860s to resemble higher grade 1793 cents. Some collectors suggest the Smith counterfeits are not counterfeits at all, but simply alterations to genuine U.S. Mint cents." Smith would begin with a well-worn host coin, and he extensively reworked both sides. The description notes that the present piece has a weight of only 157.1 grains, versus the standard 208.0-grain weight of a typical 1793 Flowing Hair cent, showing just how much metal was removed during Smith's handiwork. 1793 Flowing Hair, Wreath cent, altered, "Smith Counterfeit," Fine 12 Carrying an estimate of $2,000 and up, it brought $2,585.  Oregon coin geek.....*** GO BEAVS ! ! ! ***
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07/24/2018 4:37 pm
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The ebay one is a bit different than the one in Coin World. If I knew it was the real thing maybe I would bite on it. Would be a gamble. Oregon coin geek.....*** GO BEAVS ! ! ! ***
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Quite the difference between the one pictured in the Coin World article and the example for sale on ebay. |
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Yes, the obverse of the one on ebay looks like it's been jacked with. The patina is way different than the reverse. Plus it doesn't match up at all with the genuine fake lol. Oregon coin geek.....*** GO BEAVS ! ! ! ***
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Pillar of the Community
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I've heard of these.
Before I would even consider buying the cent in question I would want the opinions/input from knowledgeable EAC members or dealers.
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I contacted an EAC member on another forum and his reply was: Quote:
Hi Dave; I saw that one and wondered myself if it is actually a "Smith". I have several friends in EAC who collect them and several images and this one doesn't have the right "look" to me (if we are talking about the same one!), plus, "real" ones go for $2500-$3000. Edited by dave700x
07/24/2018 5:42 pm
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News to me too. Amazing the things I learn from this forum, thanks for sharing.
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Posted 07/24/2018 1:29 pm
