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 Hello, all you coin dogs. As you can see in the attached photo my coin was given an "AU" rating by PCGS. Since there is no numerical associated with the AU, does this mean that it should be viewed as being the lowest AU grade (AU-50) or does it mean that it is LESS than an AU-50? Also, does this put my coin as higher than the highest XF grade (XF-45)? I am totally lost on this matter. Please respond.
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The key word on that label is "Detail". The "Genuine" is an indicator the coin has issues. The "spot removed" associated with the detail let's you know why you didn't get a numerical grade.
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Numbers aren't attached to a "Details" grade - i.e., a defective coin such as this one.
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Wow, nfine!
Now you really have my head reeling. To my way of thinking, "AU detail" would mean That it has the details of an Almost Uncirculated coin. Also, "genuine" would mean the coin is not a fake. As for "spot cleaned" I was thinking that PCGS had removed a spot of dirt or something off of my coin.
Also, nothing you have contributed answers my questions about how my coin grade compares to XF-45s or AU-50s. But, Thanks for your comments.
Now can someone please explain exactly what these terms really mean, and why?
Thanks,
Fred
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Your Coin is labeled genuine meaning it is in fact real and not fake.
The AU means About Uncirculated and nothing more as there can't be a grade number attached.
Details means somebody before the grading process attempted to clean a spot off the coin and in the process damaged the coin. PCGS didn't do the damage or try to remove the spot.
Hope this helps you.
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"details" is the death blow the TPG assigns to a damaged, ungradable coin. It is about uncirculated and can be attested as a real coin, but as to further grade level and value, is a strike out, Nada, zip, Neggo value now. This is what is known as "body-bagged", a now worthless coin. Hope you weren't the one who tried to clean it before you sent it in...  Edited by Crazyb0
07/30/2018 3:46 pm
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if you see "genuine" on a slab it is a bad thing, it means the coin can be determined to be real but has something wrong with it. if you see "details" it is their terminology for a coin that has something wrong with it that is not market acceptable. in this case they are telling you the coin is AU but has an issue which excludes it from a numerical grade. your coin may have the sharpness of anything from an AU50 to an AU58 but they could not put a number since it is a coin with a problem that negatively affects it. in your coin's case, the thing causing it to get these notes on the slab is a spot on the coin's surface that had been doctored by someone before it was certified in an attempts to make the coin nicer for legitimate or shady reasons. damage=details grade details grade=no numeric grade details grade=a damaged coin hope this helps you understand!  TPG terminology can be tough sometimes! Feel free to call me Will.
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Hey, Thanks to all of you for the education. I really do appreciate all the help. Note to Crazyb0: The dealer who sent the coin off for grading for me has offered me $1500.00 for my "body-bagged," worthless coin. I fail to understand why so many collectors believe that damaged, cleaned, or other problems with coins render them worthless. Diminished value, certainly, but worthless - Heck no! Then again, I cannot understand how having "imperfectly minted" coins can command values far exceeding coins in perfect condition. Oh, well. Perhaps I just don't quite understand the terminology of the Coin World yet. |
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fplagge,let's nip this in the bud. Your coin is certainly not worthless. Though most 1/5 bolivars
were recalled & melted, I'd be very happy with a piece such as yours. I believe the last details graded piece
was an XF details, it still sold on the bay for 1200. Hope this lightens your day.
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Yes, not worthless...just the value is impacted by the cleaning that occurred in the past.
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This is hardly a worthless piece. This is a one-year type, with most being melted after a recall.
This was due to the release of the 1/4 bolivar. I've seen only 1, in Rosehill coin in Boise. It was
horribly bent & they were still asking 900. This is Heritage auction material.
I remember your post from May, I believe you were looking to sell, at that time.
So, how goes it? Any bites?
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. I fail to understand why so many collectors believe that damaged, cleaned, or other problems with coins render them worthless. Diminished value, certainly, but worthless - Heck no! Definitely not worthless like you said. Some collectors just don't want details coins period while others may prefer them since they are cheaper. Most collectors will fall somewhere in the middle of those two extremes. There are quite a number of coins where a details grade may be the only thing feasible for a collector either financially or where a straight graded coin would be above their comfort level for a single purchases. If I was doing an album I would be much more comfortable cracking out details coins than expensive gems to put in there. It can also sometimes be the only way to afford one with more detail. If it's a choice between an FR02 or a high VF details if the details reason is minor I might go with the VF instead. Not all details grades are equal. Some are severe like reengraging or a repaired hole type thing and most collectors will avoid those at all costs. Other things like questionable color or a cleaning if the cleaning was light usually aren't penalized as much or stigmatized as much. There are also people who purchase details coins to study them and learn from them so they can spot it in the future. Generally the more common something is the more penalized/stigmatized it will be with a details grade. When you get into rarer issues where even a details coin is mid three figures or more you will usually see more buyers that would at least consider them due to cost restraints. The question then becomes what's an appropriate discount which will be largely influenced by how bad the issue is. Quote:
. This is what is known as "body-bagged" Body-bagged coins aren't details graded slabbed coins. It's an older term back from before the TPGs would do details grades and details coins would come back in a flip as ungradeable. Examples of body bagged coins today would be ones that have questionable authenticity aka fakes, or some surface issue that would be too fragile to slab, or something that they can't authenticate like you can't tell the date/was worked on to much ect. |
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Hey, thanks for all the support, Guys and Gals. I know I have a lot to learn about the jargon of this genre. To fioti: I had put my coin on ebay prior to having it graded and had only one "bite". It sold for $1050.00 plus shipping to a gentleman in Spain. I mailed it UPS, who forwarded it to DHL. DHL sent it back because "they do not handle coins/currency" USPS also balked at sending it, as did minor shipping companies. I gave up trying to send overseas. Got a later "bite" From an auction dealer in California at the $3000.00 level, but they balked when they received it due to the minor scratch on the reverse. They offered to have it graded, which they did, and are now offering $1500.00. I still feel it has more value than that and cannot decide what to do next. Thanks for asking. Any advice? Fred |
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Examples of body bagged coins today would be ones that have questionable authenticity aka fakes, or some surface issue that would be too fragile to slab, or something that they can't authenticate like you can't tell the date/was worked on to much ect. The term PCGS currently uses is Quote:
No grade coins returned to the submitter without encapsulation. PCGS indicates that there are just 5 reasons they won't slab a coin: Peeling Lamination, Authenticity Unverifiable, Counterfeit, No Service and PVC Residue. I'm okay with the first 4, but I really think that instead of "No Grading" a PVC coin they should contact the submitter and first give them the option of having the coin conserved. I think most submitters would say go ahead rather than getting a no grade coin back, having to remove the PVC residue and then re-submitting the coin for grading. |
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'm okay with the first 4, but I really think that instead of "No Grading" a PVC coin they should contact the submitter and first give them the option of having the coin conserved. I think most submitters would say go ahead rather than getting a no grade coin back, having to remove the PVC residue and then re-submitting the coin for grading. I think the logic is just that it's not worth the slow down to ask when most people will probably either decline to have it conserved or would rather just do it themselves cheaper. I've seen other posts of people suggesting that to them on their forum but I get the impression it happens so infrequently that it's not worth making a change for. Of course there's also that if they started doing it that way some people would just claim they're just trying to get more money ect. |
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DHL sent it back because "they do not handle coins/currency" USPS also balked at sending it, as did minor shipping companies. I gave up trying to send overseas. USPS and the others will ship collector coins. If you describe it as something like numismatic item that's accurate and works. If you ask them if you can ship a coin they say no because they think you're talking about sending cash through the mail which you can't do unless it's a collectable type thing. |
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