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Old Medallion (Circa 1588) From Europe (Id: 1888 Token From Sclaraffia Monachia)

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I have not needed help on a medallion for a while but this one has got me stumped. It is extremely high relief, struck in silver (I think) and incredibly detailed with a magnificent patina. I figure that someone will have access to resources that I don't have and be able to help me. sorry about pictures, this looks so much better in hand but given the high relief strike is super hard to photograph


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I dunno @serial but this piece looks machine-struck rather than hand-struck to me. Perhaps a commemorative?
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Perhaps it is a medal struck by the Munich chapter (Monachia) of this society:

https://www.schlaraffia.org/

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Sclaraffia Monachia is a German association from bavaria.
Yo'll find their website (in german) here: https://schlaraffia-monachia.de/In%...oluptas.html

I am certain they are also the issuers of your medal.
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And "1588" would presumably be the fictitious date the society was founded (or perhaps dated using their own secret calendar) - because according to Wikipedia it was actually founded in 1859. The piece itself stylistically belongs in the 1800s or early 1900s.
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Thanks for the help, I have started to narrow it down a bit with all the information provided, I am contacting the society to see if they can help with more detail.
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according to Wikipedia it was actually founded in 1859. The piece itself stylistically belongs in the 1800s or early 1900s.


I noticed that too, though it looks like the medal also attributes founding dates of 1576 for the Leipzig chapter and 1588 for Prague. Maybe it commemorated a 300th "anniversary" consistent with your comments on style.
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so I contacted someone from the Sclaraffia Monachia association in Germany with pictures and what I knew. he identified it as an old medallion that is actually dated 1888 in there calendar. it was gifted to people visiting the "3 concils" in that year.
I will bet my bottom dollar that it is silver as well give how it feels in hand and the way it has toned. Now to establish a value :)
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Gonna update this thread as I just found the exact same medal, but mine is made from copper, and very worn. Pictures hopefully soon.
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Gonna update this thread as I just found the exact same medal, but mine is made from copper, and very worn.


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Pictures hopefully soon
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So I will post my pictures here, then open a new thread if possible.
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Weight: 27.12g
Diameter: 38mm
It is possible this was a copper version of the upthread that was determined to be silver. This medal may well have been a pocket piece of a member of that society back then so it got worn down most likely in that manner.
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Very interesting addition to this thread @mrw. In addition to being made from different metals, I think that the design executions are slightly different, for example in the style of the court jester's hat.
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