Coin Community Family of Web Sites Join Thousands of Coin, Bullion, & Money Collectors
Specializing in Modern Numismatics Join Thousands of Coin, Bullion, & Money Collectors Coin, Banknote and Medal Collectors's Online Mall Royal Canadian Mint products, Canadian, Polish, American, and world coins and banknotes. Shop for APMEX Bullion on eBay!300,000 items to help build your collection! Vancouvers #1 Coin and Paper Money Dealer








Username:
Password:
Save Password
Forgot your Password?


This page may contain links that result in small commissions to keep this free site up and running.

Welcome Guest! Registering and/or logging in will remove the anchor (bottom) ads. It's Free!

Trying To Value This $20 FRN Large Bill

To participate in the forum you must log in or register.
Author Previous TopicReplies: 14 / Views: 1,479Next Topic  
New Member
realnick's Avatar
United States
26 Posts
 Posted 08/23/2018  5:15 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add realnick to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers

Trying-To-Value-This-$20-FRN-Large-Bill
Trying-To-Value-This-$20-FRN-Large-Bill

Trying to value this beautiful $20 FRN, your thoughts?
Bedrock of the Community
Coinfrog's Avatar
United States
94367 Posts
 Posted 08/23/2018  6:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is FR-613 in VG, possibly Fine, condition. Assuming no splits, value would be around $80-125 if you wanted to buy one.
Bedrock of the Community
Learn More...
CelticKnot's Avatar
United States
12817 Posts
 Posted 08/23/2018  6:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CelticKnot to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Cool note. I really enjoy the vignettes on the back and it's fun to see someone besides Jackson on the front.
Moderator
Learn More...
John1's Avatar
United States
56855 Posts
 Posted 08/23/2018  6:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
And to CCF.
John1
Pillar of the Community
BadDog's Avatar
United States
1374 Posts
 Posted 08/23/2018  6:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadDog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
This is FR-613 in VG, possibly Fine, condition.

Coinfrog,

Are you sure about that

It looks like a Series 1914 Boston FRN $20 with White/Mellon signature, Fr. 967 to me.

Isn't Fr. 613 a series 1902 $10 National Bank Note?

I'd grade it bit higher than VG as well. To me it's probably VF with a value in the $80-100 range.

For comparison, here's a similar note, again not TPG graded, but graded by Heritage as VF that they sold in Nov 2015 for $81.

Trying-To-Value-This-$20-FRN-Large-Bill
Trying-To-Value-This-$20-FRN-Large-Bill
Edited by BadDog
08/23/2018 6:54 pm
Pillar of the Community
jimbucks's Avatar
United States
4691 Posts
 Posted 08/23/2018  6:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jimbucks to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It is an Fr 967. Looks F/VF, value around 80-90 bucks.
Edited by jimbucks
08/23/2018 6:46 pm
Moderator
Learn More...
nickelsearcher's Avatar
United States
15403 Posts
 Posted 08/23/2018  7:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nickelsearcher to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
to the CCF

You can read that our experts have weighed in. Truly enjoy the amazing knowledge sharing always shown here at the CCF.
Take a look at my other hobby ... http://www.jk-dk.art
Pillar of the Community
SteveInTampa's Avatar
United States
4637 Posts
 Posted 08/24/2018  06:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SteveInTampa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Welcome to CCF.

The backs of all the all the series 1914 notes have wonderful vignettes. I would recommend finding an example that has fewer distractions. By the heavy fold lines, I'd be willing to bet this note was folded twice, and tucked into a wallet as emergency money.
New Member
realnick's Avatar
United States
26 Posts
 Posted 08/24/2018  1:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add realnick to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks everyone for weighing in, I really appreciate your insights! I am listing this bill for sale on ebay this sunday at 9pm EST. I hope that last sentence isn't against listing policy.
New Member
Rugrats2001's Avatar
United States
31 Posts
 Posted 08/25/2018  11:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Rugrats2001 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm sorry, I don't see any way this note could grade VF. Holdered common VF notes never have distracting dirty folds like the reverse of this note. I think this would holder at a high VG at best because of this.
Pillar of the Community
BadDog's Avatar
United States
1374 Posts
 Posted 08/25/2018  7:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadDog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
Holdered common VF notes never have distracting dirty folds like the reverse of this note


Some do .

Trying-To-Value-This-$20-FRN-Large-Bill
Trying-To-Value-This-$20-FRN-Large-Bill
Pillar of the Community
Kopper Ken's Avatar
United States
3402 Posts
 Posted 08/26/2018  10:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kopper Ken to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I cannot see how Heritage grades that as a VF...they did note the staining. Per Friedberg VF "It still retains some crispness..."...Friedberg Fine"...creases are more pronounced, although the note is still not seriously soiled or stained." Fried berg VG "...may be limp, soiled or dark in appearance and even have a tear or two on an edge." That is not a VF note. There was no need to say staining, that is part of the grading and should have reflected a lower grade.

KK
Pillar of the Community
BadDog's Avatar
United States
1374 Posts
 Posted 08/26/2018  11:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadDog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
I cannot see how Heritage grades that as a VF...they did note the staining.


PMG graded this note. Heritage just imaged and sold it. From PMG's website
Trying-To-Value-This-$20-FRN-Large-Bill
Pillar of the Community
Kopper Ken's Avatar
United States
3402 Posts
 Posted 08/26/2018  8:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kopper Ken to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Correcto PMG does the grading...thanks for the snippet of PMG grading standards. I guess Friedberg is a little more conservative than PMG, not allowing soiling into the VF level. Additionally I would classify the staining/soiling as being more than minor for the note above.

KK
Pillar of the Community
BadDog's Avatar
United States
1374 Posts
 Posted 08/26/2018  9:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadDog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
Additionally I would classify the staining/soiling as being more than minor for the note above.


Without seeing the volume of notes that PMG sees, I don't think I could probably say what is VF30 light soiling vs. VF25 more than light soiling but less than mild soiling vs VF20 mild soiling. That's why I stay away from notes like this
  Previous TopicReplies: 14 / Views: 1,479Next Topic  

To participate in the forum you must log in or register.



    




Disclaimer: While a tremendous amount of effort goes into ensuring the accuracy of the information contained in this site, Coin Community assumes no liability for errors. Copyright 2005 - 2026 Coin Community Family- all rights reserved worldwide. Use of any images or content on this website without prior written permission of Coin Community or the original lender is strictly prohibited.
Contact Us  |  Advertise Here  |  Privacy Policy / Terms of Use

Coin Community Forum © 2005 - 2026 Coin Community Forums
It took 0.44 seconds to rattle this change. Forums