1957 D Wheat Penny Die Cud On Reverse

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Popejoy42 Valued Member United States 72 Posts	Posted 09/13/2018 11:57 pm Hello all, Die Cud on the 3 o'clock position on the reverse and on the B in Liberty on the obverse. ~Popejoy Report this Post to the Staff

Errers and Varietys Bedrock of the Community United States 74876 Posts	Posted 09/14/2018 12:04 am That's damage on the rim, from pushed in metal, do to taking a well placed hit (reverse side). On the obverse, you have a Broken Die Post (Die Chip) on the "B" in "LIBERTY". That's the only error you have here, but it's very common on the 1950's Wheat Cents. Errers and Varietys. Report this Post to the Staff
coop Bedrock of the Community United States 62064 Posts	Posted 09/14/2018 12:13 am A Cud rises above the rim area on the edge of the coin. Cuds are from die part of the edges of dies that breakaway and drop off the die. Like this: The Die Cud will usually show as higher on one and and the opposite side will show a weakness of strike: Note the weakness on the opposite side? That is what a Cud will look like. Just not seeing it on your coin. (below ONE on reverse) Edited by coop 09/14/2018 12:14 am Report this Post to the Staff
Errers and Varietys Bedrock of the Community United States 74876 Posts	Posted 09/14/2018 12:22 am Here's what a genuine Cud looks like. It's a type Die Break that only involves the rim, and some parts of the fields. Errers and Varietys. Report this Post to the Staff
stevieb Valued Member United States 270 Posts	Posted 09/14/2018 11:33 am I love the photo of the broken die. That's the first one I've seen. Is there a site that covers photos of broken dies? Report this Post to the Staff
coop Bedrock of the Community United States 62064 Posts	Posted 09/14/2018 11:54 am This is not a U.S. mint die. But the U.S. mint does sell them after they are defaced. The still have the serial number on them. I have a few more images if you like to see them? Basket of Die blanks I have more if you want to see more. But got to deal with something at home. BBS Report this Post to the Staff
coop Bedrock of the Community United States 62064 Posts	Posted 09/14/2018 1:27 pm Proof Hub. (Hubs are positives like coins) Hub and a die. The hub as the lugs incuse, the dies lugs are raised. The hubbed die is tapered to remove the lugs and create the exact correct size for the dies specs. How many times have we thought that they created one die at a time. This is done in major bulk. Need more? Edited by coop 09/14/2018 3:25 pm Report this Post to the Staff
coop Bedrock of the Community United States 62064 Posts	Posted 09/14/2018 1:33 pm A few more then we are out of the die create area: Hammer and Anvil dies: Die storage to prevent the dies from getting damaged: CoopHome :dies and creation of them Report this Post to the Staff
Coinfrog Bedrock of the Community United States 94367 Posts	Posted 09/14/2018 1:37 pm Coop - Great explanation as always. Report this Post to the Staff
Chase007 Pillar of the Community United States 7516 Posts	Posted 09/14/2018 1:55 pm Coop, This is very refreshing and immensely interesting ( a much needed break away from it is a DD ,DDD,MD, PMD, PSD,PDD, Etc....) Thank you for providing these awesome images,just by looking at them it becomes so clear how Die cracks and Cuds and other die deficiencies occur. Report this Post to the Staff
coop Bedrock of the Community United States 62064 Posts	Posted 09/14/2018 2:11 pm They are die events that happen to the die during its life. Some die chips on coins can last till the end of the line till it retires. So if the chip happened at the LDS level, as many as 500,000 coins could have that same chip or one that keeps breaking out and more and forces the die to retire earlier. That is why I'm not excited about die event coins. The sheer number is too large for them to be worth more than face. Cuds are different for me, it is the end of the line event for that die. Another thought about this last segment: The first image of the hammer and anvil dies that look different? Couple that with the last image of the frosting? You see a dollar Obverse being created. But note the dies is an anvil die. So they they must be rotated setup on this series with the obverse as the anvil and the reverse as the hammer. Caught that when posting this section. Edited by coop 09/14/2018 2:16 pm Report this Post to the Staff
Chase007 Pillar of the Community United States 7516 Posts	Posted 09/14/2018 2:42 pm Quote: So they they must be rotated setup on this series with the obverse as the anvil and the reverse as the hammer. Excellent observation, I see what you are referring to, very interesting. So now, after Revs. & Obvs. of the Presidential dollars are struck, they go through a separate edge lettering machine? Report this Post to the Staff
Conder101 Bedrock of the Community United States 17884 Posts	Posted 09/14/2018 2:51 pm Coop, on the image labeled "Half Dollar dies ready for use". Those are not ready for use, they are ready to be put on the lathe and tapered. Report this Post to the Staff
coop Bedrock of the Community United States 62064 Posts	Posted 09/14/2018 3:26 pm Got it Condor101. Thanks. Report this Post to the Staff
Errers and Varietys Bedrock of the Community United States 74876 Posts	Posted 09/14/2018 3:42 pm Quote: Is there a site that covers photos of broken dies? There is. It's called cuds-on-coins.com. Scroll to the bottom, and they'll show you what the dies look like, after the piece broke off. http://cuds-on-coins.com/cuds/ Here's another good thread that I created. It's information about a retired die, that I purchased on ebay last year. http://goccf.com/t/302961 Errers and Varietys. Edited by Errers and Varietys 09/14/2018 3:44 pm Report this Post to the Staff
Halo1st Pillar of the Community United States 2775 Posts	Posted 09/14/2018 6:46 pm Quote: Die Cud on the 3 o'clock position on the reverse From my end, I personally can't tell one way or the other if its a rim Cud or not. Is it raised? Is there anything on the design rim or edge suggesting pushed up material from a post strike hit? Close up of both may help. Thanks, Doug. Report this Post to the Staff
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