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2014 Shenandoah P, Stuff On Both Sides

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I am a newbie so please let me down gently if this quarter is garbage, ha. I have ordered a decent magnifier but so far I've just been keeping an eye out for key years, obvious errors, etc. Last night I got this Shenandoah P (circulated, obviously) and immediately the 'Shenandoah' lettering made me take my glasses off. Today I tried my hand at photographing coins starting with this one, and I'm not kidding I've basically been at it all day (mostly this one but a few others too). After some hours of playing around I got so used to how the coin looked, I thought I must have been wrong about it having any errors, or my camera just couldn't capture any. So I decided to move on to a known error coin, an Effigy Mounds P with a doubled reverse rim. Suddenly, looking at the Effigy photos made me realize just how crazy the Shenandoah is. And so then I deleted all the photos I'd taken of it, and spent more hours playing with more settings, angles, light, etc. And still I'm not perfectly capturing everything, but here goes.

Here's the obverse (I will make the reverese a reply to this post). First you can see it is about as gritty as cast iron. Yes it's a few years old but I'm not talking about the obvious wearing and scratches.

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I think I see errors in the lettering of 'QUARTER and DOLLAR' but let me know if that's not what you're seeing, or if you see anything elsewhere on the obverse.


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 Posted 10/15/2018  04:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
to CCF. Check out our photo taking section for tips. Your quarter is nothing more than a worn die,die deterioration doubling aka DDD.
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 Posted 10/15/2018  04:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kawliga to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
And here's the reverse. The best I've been able to compare it to is photos of mints and proofs, which is not ideal for obvious reasons. I sure wish I had another Shenandoah; then I'd use the same camera settings and get the best possible comparisons of the devices and lettering.

Just comparing to online photos, it appears most lettering is closer than normal to the rim, and there is rim doubling, so the overall effect is stretching/blurring (?) of the bottoms of the bottom words, and the tops of 'Shenandoah.'
As for the device, for all I know the whole thing is loopy, but I definitely see issues with the branches above and behind the hiker. I don't know if they're doubled, but the rim pushes further into them than in online photos.

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From this angle (below) you can see where the rim switches course, between the U and N of 'UNUM.'

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Motto closeup:

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If nothing else, there's this 'E.'


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"Your quarter is nothing more than...." --That doesn't sound snotty AT ALL. Thanks man.
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It's the wording. I said I'm a newbie and I spent all day studying this coin. Obviously I was excited about it, and obviously it was for nothing. I appreciate the 'Welcome' icon and yes I appreciate an honest answer even if it's dissapointing. Can you really not imagine being told something you were excited about is "nothing but a.." the very first time you ask anyone? Something like, "Sorry but this is a common mistake" or whatever would have been kinder. That's all I'm saying.
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It's like he read my "please let me down gently" and purposely did the opposite. If this is how this forum is, don't worry I won't stick around.
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We're sorry if anything said offended you. Wording is subjective and some take it different then others. It takes us a while to get to know each individual member. But that being said to the forum.
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Kawliga,
My humble apologies . I did indeed word it wrong,it was to read...I'm sorry but your quarter is a worn die,die deterioration doubling aka DDD.
Don't leave this forum over a mistyped sentence. It is the best forum out there. Sorry again.
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"Your quarter is nothing more than...." --That doesn't sound snotty AT ALL. Thanks man.


I'm sorry but it doesn't sound snotty to me at all. I think you were expecting a snotty answer, so that's what you saw.
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I agree and I am relatively new as well here. I have lots of coins that Ive looked at and thought "wow. this maybe something!"

Ive learned one thing and that is to look up examples online before I post here, as most of the folks here are very very knowledgable, but sometimes get bored or irritated answering similar questions, over and over.

Nothing personal, as Ive never come across a double die and I have thousands of old and new coins, but I hope youre not turned off here, as the information you will get is likely to be very accurate, especially if you DO turn out to have a coin that maybe valuable.

I had a 1945 Mercury dime I posted that I came accross in my collection that looked AU to me. Turned out to be MS 65...which I sent in to be graded and slabbed.
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It's Die Deterioration, not a mint error.

I agree with Bobby, what John said was not "snotty" at all.
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When I looked up DDD, for the life of me I cannot see how you can reliably tell the difference between it and a valuable error. And I looked at LOTS of photo examples, along with several author's descriptions on what key differences to look for. There was so much overlap in diagnostics, and so much differently-interpretable language used for the descriptions, I don't see how even the highest experts don't have fierce debates over some coins. I'm not talking about very clearcut ones like the Duke Ellington 'ELL' one. --That's very easy to see and it's also not one of a kind. But every error coin with a population of 'multiple' must have a first one discovered by somebody, so what happens when the cause of doubling is 'if-y'? I'm not trying to argue about my 'nothing' quarter; if everybody says it's from a deteriorated die I obvioiusly have no leg to stand on.
But can anyone tell me what details the see in my coin prove it's a DDD, and how it would look different if it had whatever more magical error that would make it valuable?
By the way, why IS whatever other kind of doubling treasured while DDD is not? Seems like a very silly distinction, and in fact many of the 'legit' doubling photos I saw were barely-detectible compared to DDD ones (some of those looked pretty WOW to me). At least wrong-planchet coins make for kind of a cool story, as do coins that are rare because of some historical perspective, but "this malfunction" versus "that malfunction" occurring in a machine seems utterly arbitrary.
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You can see the flow lines stretching to the rims, along with the characteristic stretching of the devices to the rim. DDD.
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I forgot to ask, what could have caused that slash through the U in QUARTER? Also both A's in QUARTER and DOLLAR have a weird arc doubling inside the enclosed triangle. What causes that?
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And thank you very much for the sincere apology John. You dont' see that very often on the internet.
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