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 Posted 10/17/2018  8:34 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Sharkman to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi everyone from Phoenix. It is really as hot here as you have heard.
I was a boyhood collector from the ages of 5 to about 12. When I became a teenager, I got interested in other things. After finishing school and joining the workforce I decided to buy one or two uncirculated Morgans with each paycheck. Back in 1982 they ran about $20 each. I was planning to slowly build a nice collection. But after buying only a few, I made a mistake in my checkbook and bounced a check at the coin shop. I was mortified and so embarrassed I never returned.
A couple years ago, I retired and my father in law passed away. Among his possessions we found twenty or so fine grade Walkers. I added these to my boyhood collection, and had about half a set. That restarted me in the hobby.
I completed the circulated Walker set and turned to raw alleged mint state Morgans and Peace dollars. I say alleged because after buying a lot of them, I took them to a dealer to send some out for grading. That was how I learned about sliders. Thankfully, not all, but enough to teach me I had no business evaluating raw coins by internet photograph for slight evidence of wear. I could tell if the coin appeared well struck, and I could evaluate eye appeal, but I couldn't spot the hairlines reliably.
About the same time my wife was looking at my silver dollar albums with me. She said they were nice, but that they all looked the same. I realized she had a point. The differences in two Morgans with different dates or mint marks could not be appreciated by someone who was not a knowledgeable numismatist. But the differences between a Two Cent Piece (intriguing coin) and a Trade dollar (another intriguing coin) are readily apparent, and each has an interesting story behind it to tell a non collector.
So, a year ago I started building a high grade type set from 1837 (beginning of Liberty Seated series) through 1964 (end of silver coinage). It's going to take me years to assemble.
I am getting the highest quality coins I can reasonably afford. Because I don't have to worry about buying multiple coins or rare dates, quality is the primary consideration, and buying only one coin instead of several allows for higher quality in the budget. I want the most visually impressive examplar of each type I am able to procure. Due to my experiences and painfully learned limitations, all coins will be third party graded.
The first coin I got was an 1853 arrows and rays Liberty Seated half in xf45. It seemed expensive at the time, but I wish I had gotten an A.U. Grade, say a 53. As I have acquired coins, it has been more slowly, and at considerably higher grades than I initially envisioned. But I am very pleased with what I have pulled together.
An unexpected benefit of type collecting is how much I have learned. I certainly do not have the level of expertise of a date and mint mark series collector in any given type, but I have learned an enriching amount about the breadth of American coinage, the differing numismatics of different eras, and contemporary American society paralleling changes in coinage.
This is great fun. I see why I used to like it so much.
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 Posted 10/17/2018  9:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add slapsshot to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hey Sharkman

I am new here also but welcome anyway. There is a ton of information here. I too came back to the hobby after having a collection when I was young. Unfortunately, those coins, some baseball cards and comics funded my family start in life. By some good fortune, I've been able to indulge once again for keeps.

I pretty much buy what catches my eye, got to be older, no dead presidents. I'm currently in the middle of putting together an Indian quarter eagle set.
I agree with your observations regarding variations and whatnot. Its gotten to the point of being silly and overrated.
Just as some would say regarding US gold coins.

Another thing I find annoying is the non stop minting of MS70 coins everyday by the Mint. These "perfect" coins skew how grading is approached. When you're grading 200 first strike coins minted yesterday and a SLQ finds it's way on your table with some accepted flaws, its going to skew to deserved grade.

That being said, I buy only graded coins, I'm not good enough at detecting all the monkey business that can be perpetuated on raw coins.

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 Posted 10/18/2018  04:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sharkman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Slapsshot
Your post touches on a couple of points that I agree with you on.
Dead presidents: The Franklin half fits here, too, even though ol' Ben, as the senior-most of the most important founding fathers, was past his prime when the country started electing presidents in 1788.
I know people love their Lincoln cents, and to a lesser degree, Washington quarters. I wouldn't mind having a mint state '32d quarter, but for the most part, I dislike this omnipresent and uninspired tired old pocket change. Of the dead presidents, I find the simple understated elegance of the wheat ears Lincoln just fine, but for the most part I find these time worn busts of great men to be boring and uninspired. And they've been around forever! The Lincoln Cent will be 110 years old next year.
The esteemed and much published Q. David Bowers likens the Lincoln memorial reverse to a trolley car, and I would view the Monticello reverse of the Jefferson nickel the same way. The eagle on the Washington quarter reminds me of a bat, but the worst of them all is the Roosevelt dime. I can't really tell exactly what is on the reverse. Maybe it's the March of Dimes logo. Does the logo of a private charity belong on a government issued coin? Seems quite a bit like advertising. And of the Roosevelt dime series, I am unaware of any rarities or otherwise interesting coins.
So, I wish the government would change these coins out for something new, different and more interesting. But they represent the great bulk of 20th century coinage, and they need to be represented in my type set. So how did I make these coins interesting? Cameo proofs. They are fairly hard to find, and quite beautiful to look at. Unlike the deep cameo proofs now routinely kicked out by the mint, these "classic" cameos are something special and somewhat rare.
As for modern MS70 coins, they sort of destroy the mystique of the perfect coin. Like the old sexist game of rating a woman's attractiveness from 1-10 with 10 the unattainable, theoretical ideal, it seems sacrilegious to give any coin a perfect grade. Nonetheless, one of my guilty pleasures is collecting Pr69dcam statehood, territorial, and ATB Quarters. Of these, I am especially taken artistically by the single-subject ATB Quarters which I find more attractive than the busy collages on.many Statehood Quarters.
It is all very fun and interesting.
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To CCF , I'm glad you came back to this fascinating hobby .
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