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 Posted 10/23/2018  8:11 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Rabbithole1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi,
Does anyone know what type of coin this is? I know nothing about ancient coins.

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 Posted 10/23/2018  8:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kamnaskires to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Likely Kushan or Kushano-Sasanian, with Shiva/bull reverse.
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 Posted 10/23/2018  8:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree, most likely Vasishka, similar to the one listed here: http://coinindia.com/galleries-vasishka.html
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 Posted 10/23/2018  8:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Rabbithole1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
WOW! That's it!! You two are amazing! Is this common coin?
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 Posted 10/23/2018  9:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kamnaskires to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Is this common coin?


Ron or others can correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the AE's of Vasishka are much less common than the similar Vasu Deva I types. However, there's no guarantee that the coin here is indeed Vasishka, especially given the number of local imitations of Kushan types, including imitations of Vasu Deva's king/Siva and bull types. But it does seem like it might be.

Perhaps Kushanshah or Finn, or others, will be along to provide guidance.
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 Posted 10/23/2018  10:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
His AV coins are more common than the AE type with the type being smaller and lighter in weight @4-5 grams over Vasu Deva 8 + grams. The size and weight would help to pin down who it is.
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The authority in this area is Joe Cribb, former Keeper of Coins and Medals at the British Museum (best job on earth?). Based on the paper linked below, I'm inclined toward "Kushano-Sasanian imitation". In Cribb's analysis, the coins of Vasishka have the king wearing a garment with straight hem, which Cribb describes as "armor". They are distinguished from the similar coins of Vasudeva by fine points of style, weight and (sometimes) Brahmi chhu in the obverse field. The curved hem, which Cribb describes as an "overcoat" is found on the coins of Kanishka II but only with the goddess Ardoxsho on reverse. The "Kushano-Sasanian imitations" in Cribb's scheme combine the curved-hem obverse of Kanishka II with the Oesho (Siva) and bull reverse of Vasudeva and Vasishka. Nothing is set in stone, however. Much is still to be learned regarding Kushan coins and history. https://www.academia.edu/31682150
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 Posted 10/24/2018  12:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This thread is exactly why CCF is the best place to spend an evening. Well done!
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 Posted 10/24/2018  12:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Rabbithole1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My coin weighs 4.7 grams, and is about the size of a nickel. Just not as round. I'm a newish Lincoln Wheat cent collector, and a ..I guess I would call myself a very spiritual person..aka (older hippie gal ) So when I saw this at the coin shop just marked as "ancient" I had to buy it..It was next to nothing and I was intrigued. They didnt have knowledge on what it was but said it was ancient.
All of you..your knowledge is incredible! I dont understand some of your lingo..but ill figure it out!! Many thanks!
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 Posted 10/24/2018  12:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Rabbithole1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ok one question, what does AV and AE mean?
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 Posted 10/24/2018  12:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Finn235 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A bit late to the party, but I'd concur that this is probably a later imitation. The Kushan empire was the pre-eminent trading power between China and Parthia at a time when Rome had more money than they knew what to do with; hence the silk road because why not waste it? Kushan coins were exchanged along the eastern half (if not more) of the Silk Road, and had massive brand recognition value. Even after the Kushans fell to the Sassanians, local kingdoms kept making copies for literally a thousand years after the empire fell! This is a common coin; I see ebay sellers from India selling these in lots of 10-20 for $1-3 per coin.

Indian ancients provide an extremely steep learning curve, but IMO are severely undervalued and underappreciated.
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what does the coin (the original or real coin) stand for? The meaning behind the coin. And if it was "real not a fake or duplicate is this valuable? No wrong answer for me because the coin found me ..in a weird way. So if its not of monatery value then it will perhaps become a charm of mine:)
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 Posted 10/24/2018  03:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The AV stands for gold, AE for base metal copper or bronze and AR for silver.
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Well I must admit after spending some time going through my copy of Kushan, Kushano-Sasanian and Kidarite Coins by Jongeward, Gibb and Donovan. I can see where there is a strong possibility that this can be a Kushano-Sasanian imitation.

However it is still a close match to Vasishka Gobl 1011.
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 Posted 10/25/2018  03:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Rabbithole1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here are a few more pics, in natural light
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