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@kawliga, in order to better compare features like this, I recommend that you create an overlay. Normally we do this to look for things like die clashes or die rotation, but I think that this would also let you determine if Abe is actually different on this coin (and if so, exactly where). I believe that a description of the overlay methodology has been the subject of a prior CCF thread. Sorry that I can't give you a link right now.
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You mean like where you can see one image over another? I was wishing I could do something like that. I do think the overall silhouette is different, but there are lots of little differences too, ones that may not change the silhouette but are there, nonetheless. Like the back of collar, how the jacket stands out far from the shirt, whereas they're normally flush. But even the edge of the jacket collar is within the total outline of a normal bust--I THINK. Yeah, a way to see this overlapped with another 92 P would be very useful.
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It looks like there was a lot of die abrasion around the neck and bow tie, probably to remove a die clash.
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When comparing coins, you need to use the same date mint and grade. John1  |
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Well I have the same date and same mint comparison right there, but I have no idea what their grades are. But does it really take grading to see that the underside of his chin is missing, the far side of his tie and jacket lapel are missing, his shoulder humps out, the back of his neck is missing, and the back of his jacket and shirt collars have a completely different design?
If anything, the other 1992 P in the picture is clearly a worse grade, so it should be the one with more lost features due to wear.
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If anyone wants to do that image overlay thing, I would definitely appreciate it. I don't know how, have an old mac computer and probably not the software.
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It is caused by a overly polished die. I've seen a few where Lincoln's neck and parts of his coat were completely polished away. Same thing that causes the "floating roof" LMCs.
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11/07/2018 11:18 am
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On the coin in question,what does the reverse look like? John1 |
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Just PMed Mike. John1 |
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That area is part of the target area that would be polished. away, making the neck thinner because of the fields being reduced.  |
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As others have said, Lincoln's emaciated appearance is due to overzealous intentional die abrasion.
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Ahhh. Okay that makes sense. Coop thank you SO MUCH for putting the time into that graphic. So this is a case of restoration gone wrong, like the more the fixer fixed, the more he had to fix, until he practically redesigned the whole bust. HA!!--Reminds me of:  |
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So, some more thoughts and images. First, John you asked fro the reverse so here it is. Shame about the spot on the steps; I don't know what that is but I'm not trying to clean it.  Next, Skinny Abe taken from a slight angle so you can see how dramatic the "redesign" of his shirt and jacket collar is.  Here's where it looks like the artist decided not to mess with the clash too much: the shoulder sleeve creases. This would make sense. I'm an amateur artist and one thing I know is how forgiving fabric is (also hair curls by the way). You can put them anywhere and the viewer's eye will "believe" it, as long as it's not too wackadoodle. (On the left is 'normal Abe,' and on the right is 'skinny Abe').  And finally, I did play around with features I haven't tried before on my lousy image software, and found this pencil sketch effect. The removal of color and simplified lines shows the differences nicely I think.  |
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