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1952-D Lincoln Wheat Cent Odd MM Gouges + Minor RPM

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This was in a purchased lot of RPMs, unlabeled. Likely someone saw the big flaggy looking things coming off the mm and figured it must be an RPM. But that doesn't seem to be anything like an RPM, although there IS an RPM (tilted/rotated) on the mm.

So, I get that there is some kind of die crack thing that goes from the 9 to the mm and that is common, but these flag gouges don't look like anything I've seen before. Anyone know what they are?

And if you know which RPM that is let me know please!

1952-D Lincoln Wheat cent with mm gouges and RPM


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Check out IDB-1c-1952D-01. I wonder if you may have a very early stage of that IDB.

EDIT: If this is the IDB, your RPM could be pretty darned scarce, since the fully grown IDB obliterated the west side of the mm.
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11/15/2018 11:09 pm
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Looks like a well placed Die Chip.
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Interesting possibility that it is just an early stage die break. Seems reasonable. Doubtful it is IDB-01 as I think my mm is lower than the one on that die break, but quite possible it is just an early stage of such a thing. Thanks!
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They should call that the flying D,it looks like wings. Nice,I like it.
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Very nice I like the *wings*
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Neat find
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Holy Cow Coop, you rock! The "flying D" coin has now been slipped and correctly labeled instead of just listed as unknown D/D. That is, to say the least, super helpful. Thanks
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TB , Flying D is exactly what it is known as.
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I had no idea Stoneman, but this thing is pretty neat looking so should have guessed it would have been named. And I guessed right!
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It's interesting that this is a known RPM. The name definitely fits! What a great coin.

Here's a question in light of this coin and the fairly closely located IDBs for 1950-57 and 1979. What is the source of the die weakness in this area?

The listings (1950-D, 1951-S, 1952-D, 1952-S, 1954-S, 1957-D, 1979-D) have two things in common: dates with curved tails on consecutive digits and mint marks. Is the weakness caused by (1) the tail of the "9" alone, (2) the presence of two curved digits in close proximity ("9" and "5" or "9" and "7"), or (3) is it the effect of punching the mm close to both the tail of the "9" and the tail of the "5" or "7"?

I'm aware of the IDB between the "7" and rim on the 1987 cent and the crack between the last digit and rim on the 1943 and 1946 cents, but the rim in those cases operates as a second curved element in proximity. The die chip on the "8" in the 1983 cent might be an exception.

Just some speculation on a snowy day.
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